The front wheel does not seem the same. Drawing different rear tire.

 

Hmm another unseen tire?

 

Didn't really have a lot of time to dig any further this weekend; which kind of works out as I figured it would give Pagani/Pirelli/Top Gear some more time in which to work out a statement perhaps?

Funny that the red car seems to be on two different tires.

For what it's worth I like the blue on the Hype Car.

 

Hey mate I have held up my hand on this one. Pagani did wrong, we can all see that. But all I was asking was we have to keep things in perspective.

If this was the first time this sort of thing had happened then some of the outrage could be justified. But I have been around a long time and this sort of behaviour has been rife within the car industry since Henry Ford introduced the Model T.

In the great scheme of things Pagani are still a very young company. Up until this point their reputation has been unblemished. No one knows who authorised the tyres on the TG test and I suspect we never will. But Pagani will have learnt from this and I would not expect a repeat at anytime in the future.

We are all entitled to make one mistake, just don’t do it again:

Anyway I will leave you with this quote from the Bible as I think it sums up my thoughts on this matter very well.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

 

Are you going biblical on us now?

You know, it's funny, but for someone who's "been around a long time" and know that "this sort of behaviour has been rife within the car industry since Henry Ford introduced the Model T" you love calling other members conspiracy theorists. I have not even been keeping track but I know of two separate occasions where you did this.


And this is NOT the first time Pagani have been dishonest. The first time was when Andy Wallace couldn't hit 200 mph in a Zonda S. The second time was when they conducted a "test" in EVO using Marc Basseng, a Pagani test driver, on Pilot Sport Cups while the Koenigsegg CCX had to run on Pilot Sport 2 and for the first time in history set a worse time than a Pagani around the track. The third time was when they built the Zonda R which is a car created to undermine, bypass and steal the thunder from Horst von Saurma's & SportAuto's serious and objective Ring benchmarking without being forced to release control of the outcome. It's EXACTLY how Nissan did their little Ring stunt. The fourth time is when they fitted a front splitter, racing slicks and who knows what else to cheat in Top Gear. The fifth time was when they admitted lying about the Corsas to Jalopnik. The sixth time was when they lied again about the unknown Trofeos with a completely different pattern than the regular Trofeos. And this is only the lies and cheating they have been caught with!!!! Who knows what they have gotten away with?! And if it's everyone doing it, then how come companies like Nissan can gain so much from it?! How come Porsche smacked down Nissan in their own testing?! Are you one of those guys who thinks a stock GTR can beat a Zonda F around the track?!

Hyper car benchmarking was relatively CLEAN until Pagani brought CHEATING into it. And all you apologists better start realizing what this means long term for small makers like Gumpert, Koenigsegg AND Pagani. If CHEATING becomes a standard in the somewhat FAIR AND OBJECTIVE benchmarkings then the last level playing field in automotive PR is gone and professional racing cheaters like Ferrari and McLaren will mercilessly destroy them all in the field of CHEATING. What little advantage they had in building better, faster cars will be no more. So all you apologists better celebrate today because there's a funeral tomorrow. What Pagani has done is what the scorpoin did riding the frog's back across the river - it stung the frog and they both died. Some say it's a fable about how you can't change someone's nature, but I say it's a perfect example of how some people are too damn stupid to realize the benefit of a common interest. Cheating is not in Pagani's nature, I agree - they are just too damn stupid and short sighted to join forces with HONEST makers to keep it HONEST.


I have a quote from George Bush that I think it sums up my thoughts on this matter very well:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

 

Hyper car benchmarking was relatively CLEAN until Pagani brought CHEATING into it

This is the most stupid thinkg ive read in ages..

I wish i could neg rep you all the time..

Are you present at each test to see that everything goes accordingly?
Did you not read the reports on Ferrari prepping their cars?
Do you really think that a small player like pagani is are the ones who pioneered this?

God your hate is so evident..that everything you say is of no damn meaning

 

Haha. I was wondering who would be so childish to neg rep me for telling the truth. Don't worry, I wont get you back because, ehm, I'm not you.

This is you and your fanatic Pagani friend:

"They are not cheating, you conspiracy loons."

"I have seen the tires and they are not cheating, you conspiracy loons."

"I saw the tires and they were different but still not cheating, you conspiracy loons."

"Ok they admit they used different tires. And yes it's probably cheating."

"... but EVERYONE IS CHEATING!!!!! IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!"


You are crazy...

 

^sure dont answer the questions..keep on trolling

 

No offense, but that seems like a very poor way of viewing the situation.

No one is "without sin" and if we were to live by that rule, then there would be no one to criticize this kind of behavior.
We all have a responsibility to bring this sort of misconduct into the spotlight so that more people find out about it and something is done to prevent it in the future. If no one can criticize, then we would be stuck with the car companies doing whatever the hell they want. This is our way of having some influence over what liberties they can take, instead of just taking their BS and swallowing it whole.

This whole situation was not a "mistake". It is pretty evident that it was a calculated effort to improve the Huayra's performance, by means not allowed for this test, and Pagani should be called out and held responsible for their actions (as goes for any one else).
Arguably, the only mistake committed by Pagani was not covering this whole thing up well enough for people like mattjs33 to not find out about it.

 

Elhimiel, if you don't mind me asking, perhaps you can tone it down just a smidge?

I put too much work into the investigation and my presentation of such to have it get lost in the mire of internet hyperbole. If you want this story to have any lasting impact then you need to stop looking for conflict where there is none.

You need to remember that however strong their opposition to this story was at the beginning, both Streetrod and Artist conceded their stance as gentlemen when the facts became clear, and confirmed by Pagani themselves. Continuing to rail against these two is not helping at this point.

Yes we proved that Pagani was up to some trickery here, but realistically we cannot say that it hasn't happened several times before by other manufacturers, a theory I offered some time ago. It just so happens that Pagani got caught, a byproduct of all the attention garnered by being atop the Power Board.

Who knows whom else may have supplied a car with the boost cranked up or the catalysts removed, for just two of many hypothetical examples? What's so hard to believe is that Pagani made such an obvious, simple change and made no effort to hide it by limiting photographic access.

This thread, and all the attention it gained, to me was a victory of sorts to show that the public won't stand for being snowed so easily. Yes, I'd still like to prove that the Power Lap tires could not in any way be street legal, and I don't think that the Huayra's time should stay on the Board, but for the most part we've accomplished what we needed to.