Pagani Huayra, Koenigsegg Agera R or Bugatti Veyron SS
Mar 14, 2012 | 10:20 AM
#31
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Huayra.
The Veyron is amazing but it looks a bit boring compared to the Pagani.
The Huayra is perfectly made, and I love the doors
The Agera R is great too, but as mentioned before, they're always making it better and better so you're never gonna have the best one.
I'll never forget the day when I saw 2 Zonda's right in front of me though
The Veyron is amazing but it looks a bit boring compared to the Pagani.
The Huayra is perfectly made, and I love the doors
The Agera R is great too, but as mentioned before, they're always making it better and better so you're never gonna have the best one.
I'll never forget the day when I saw 2 Zonda's right in front of me though
Mar 14, 2012 | 10:22 AM
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25 five cars are due to be built this year with 40 in 2013, so even if you ordered now you could not expect delivery until 2014.
By that time the Roadster should have broken cover which will increase demand.
There are currently more than enough customers who like the way the car looks to keep Pagani very busy for the next few years
As with the Zonda we can expect upgrades and specials along the way, but don’t expect the basic architecture of the car to change. It looks the way it does for very specific reasons, and I for one love the way it looks
Mar 14, 2012 | 10:41 AM
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Only buy a Veyron if you have so much money that the truly epic depreciation does not bother you. Also the fact that it is the most expensive car in the world to maintain, this would account the amazingly low mileage rates these cars accumulate.
Buy the Koenigsegg for its mind blowing speed, but expect that your car will be superseded by an updated model as soon as yours has been delivered. Koenigsegg seem to be incapable of building more than three cars in a row without the next having a major upgrade. Again expect it to lose half its value in 2 years
Buy the Huayra because it is the most well built and detailed car ever. It may not be as fast as the other two but 230mph is not bad.
That and the fact it has more presence and is likely to hold its value would make it my choice
Buy the Koenigsegg for its mind blowing speed, but expect that your car will be superseded by an updated model as soon as yours has been delivered. Koenigsegg seem to be incapable of building more than three cars in a row without the next having a major upgrade. Again expect it to lose half its value in 2 years
Buy the Huayra because it is the most well built and detailed car ever. It may not be as fast as the other two but 230mph is not bad.
That and the fact it has more presence and is likely to hold its value would make it my choice
In his companies short lifespan he has released 11 distinct models or variations and only produced just over 100 cars. This makes valuing a used example very difficult as there is unlikely to be another of the same model to compare it against.
Compare this to the way Pagani released its cars. He managed to control his market by releasing 25 Zonda F coupes and 25 Zonda F roadsters. That way you could establish a market and potential buyers knew what they were getting compared to the other cars.
Pagani also on occasion would buy cars back, update them, then sell them on again so helping to control the value which has proved to be very successful for him.
Koenigsegg needs to adopt a similar model, rather than constantly drip feeding updates that just confuses the market, resulting in very low resale values and leaves the customer wondering if the car he is looking at is the right one to have
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Mar 14, 2012 | 11:47 AM
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Only buy a Veyron if you have so much money that the truly epic depreciation does not bother you. Also the fact that it is the most expensive car in the world to maintain, this would account the amazingly low mileage rates these cars accumulate.
Buy the Koenigsegg for its mind blowing speed, but expect that your car will be superseded by an updated model as soon as yours has been delivered. Koenigsegg seem to be incapable of building more than three cars in a row without the next having a major upgrade. Again expect it to lose half its value in 2 years
Buy the Huayra because it is the most well built and detailed car ever. It may not be as fast as the other two but 230mph is not bad.
That and the fact it has more presence and is likely to hold its value would make it my choice
That and the fact it has more presence and is likely to hold its value would make it my choice
I wanted to elaborate on my comments about the Koenigsegg and its build numbers. I have a great deal of admiration for Christian Von Koenigsegg and what he has managed to achieve, but I think he has caused uncertainty in his used market by the constant evolution of his product.
In his companies short lifespan he has released 11 distinct models or variations and only produced just over 100 cars. This makes valuing a used example very difficult as there is unlikely to be another of the same model to compare it against.
Compare this to the way Pagani released its cars. He managed to control his market by releasing 25 Zonda F coupes and 25 Zonda F roadsters. That way you could establish a market and potential buyers knew what they were getting compared to the other cars.
Pagani also on occasion would buy cars back, update them, then sell them on again so helping to control the value which has proved to be very successful for him.
Koenigsegg needs to adopt a similar model, rather than constantly drip feeding updates that just confuses the market, resulting in very low resale values and leaves the customer wondering if the car he is looking at is the right one to have
In his companies short lifespan he has released 11 distinct models or variations and only produced just over 100 cars. This makes valuing a used example very difficult as there is unlikely to be another of the same model to compare it against.
Compare this to the way Pagani released its cars. He managed to control his market by releasing 25 Zonda F coupes and 25 Zonda F roadsters. That way you could establish a market and potential buyers knew what they were getting compared to the other cars.
Pagani also on occasion would buy cars back, update them, then sell them on again so helping to control the value which has proved to be very successful for him.
Koenigsegg needs to adopt a similar model, rather than constantly drip feeding updates that just confuses the market, resulting in very low resale values and leaves the customer wondering if the car he is looking at is the right one to have
But the whole thing about Bugatti or Koenigsegg and what makes them more attractive on one level is that they're not meant for your average Joe grinding together his hard earned $$$$$ to buy a hypercar. If you buy a Bugatti or a Koenigsegg you're thilthy rich and you can afford these status symbols which sets you apart from the pack. You're faster, you're more powerful and you don't give a #&%! about a few hundred thousand dollars here and there. It's the equivalent of taking your private jet to go shopping.
Pagani lacks some appeal in this regard. They're the "poor" mans hypercar which coupled with their less than stellar performance numbers simply makes them less hyper than the other two. Like the Nissan GT-R or tuned Gallardos they will have a similar type of solid following of collectors/users arguing the price point/resale value in relation to it's performance as if it matters in the world of hypercars, but just as you wouldn't buy a tuned Nissan to replace a Bugatti or a Koenigsegg, nor would you buy a Pagani. If you can't afford it - then tough luck for you but it's not the Bugatti's or Koenigsegg's fault. You as a owner just happen to be a tad bit short of hyper to own a true hypercar.
Mar 14, 2012 | 12:09 PM
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Pagani lacks some appeal in this regard. They're the "poor" mans hypercar which coupled with their less than stellar performance numbers simply makes them less hyper than the other two. Like the Nissan GT-R or tuned Gallardos they will have a similar type of solid following of collectors/users arguing the price point/resale value in relation to it's performance as if it matters in the world of hypercars, but just as you wouldn't buy a tuned Nissan to replace a Bugatti or a Koenigsegg, nor would you buy a Pagani. If you can't afford it - then tough luck for you but it's not the Bugatti's or Koenigsegg's fault. You as a owner just happen to be a tad bit short of hyper to own a true hypercar.
I don't think so.
The Zonda and Huayra are way more extravagant, look better and are more exclusive compared to the Veyron, and they are better around a track.
Mar 14, 2012 | 12:27 PM
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This is the whole point of owning a Veyron?
This is the whole point of owning a Koenigsegg?
230 mph are Pagani numbers. Subtract at least 10 mph and expect a lot of the features to be "function follows form".
This can be seen as either a strong or a weak point depending on who you´re asking. If you're a small collector buying these cars to fondle them a bit and move them on, then yes it will pose a problem.
But the whole thing about Bugatti or Koenigsegg and what makes them more attractive on one level is that they're not meant for your average Joe grinding together his hard earned $$$$$ to buy a hypercar. If you buy a Bugatti or a Koenigsegg you're thilthy rich and you can afford these status symbols which sets you apart from the pack. You're faster, you're more powerful and you don't give a #&%! about a few hundred thousand dollars here and there. It's the equivalent of taking your private jet to go shopping.
Pagani lacks some appeal in this regard. They're the "poor" mans hypercar which coupled with their less than stellar performance numbers simply makes them less hyper than the other two. Like the Nissan GT-R or tuned Gallardos they will have a similar type of solid following of collectors/users arguing the price point/resale value in relation to it's performance as if it matters in the world of hypercars, but just as you wouldn't buy a tuned Nissan to replace a Bugatti or a Koenigsegg, nor would you buy a Pagani. If you can't afford it - then tough luck for you but it's not the Bugatti's or Koenigsegg's fault. You as a owner just happen to be a tad bit short of hyper to own a true hypercar.
This is the whole point of owning a Koenigsegg?
230 mph are Pagani numbers. Subtract at least 10 mph and expect a lot of the features to be "function follows form".
This can be seen as either a strong or a weak point depending on who you´re asking. If you're a small collector buying these cars to fondle them a bit and move them on, then yes it will pose a problem.
But the whole thing about Bugatti or Koenigsegg and what makes them more attractive on one level is that they're not meant for your average Joe grinding together his hard earned $$$$$ to buy a hypercar. If you buy a Bugatti or a Koenigsegg you're thilthy rich and you can afford these status symbols which sets you apart from the pack. You're faster, you're more powerful and you don't give a #&%! about a few hundred thousand dollars here and there. It's the equivalent of taking your private jet to go shopping.
Pagani lacks some appeal in this regard. They're the "poor" mans hypercar which coupled with their less than stellar performance numbers simply makes them less hyper than the other two. Like the Nissan GT-R or tuned Gallardos they will have a similar type of solid following of collectors/users arguing the price point/resale value in relation to it's performance as if it matters in the world of hypercars, but just as you wouldn't buy a tuned Nissan to replace a Bugatti or a Koenigsegg, nor would you buy a Pagani. If you can't afford it - then tough luck for you but it's not the Bugatti's or Koenigsegg's fault. You as a owner just happen to be a tad bit short of hyper to own a true hypercar.
Self made rich people do not become rich buy being stupid with their money. The amount of Veyron’s currently cluttering up dealerships around the world is testament to the fact that owners have realised that top speed is not everything. Cost of ownership to even the rich is always a factor. The fact that these second hand cars are not selling is prompting well respected dealers to not buy them in as stock cars anymore as they can’t sell them.
With regard to the Koenigsegg, its constant updating has led to little in the way of repeat business, something that could never be said of the Zonda.
As for the Huayra, its actual top speed is verified 237mph
And too call the Pagani the "poor" mans hypercar is just plain silly. The facts are that if you could buy a new Zonda now it would cost you more than a Veyron or a Koenigsegg. Second a used Zonda F currently sells for twice the price it was new.
Now compare that to a Veyron that will lose £500k as soon as you drive it out of the showroom and will only be worth half its retail price within two years. And the Koenigseggs that are having trouble finding buyers at a third of their retail after the same period.
So the facts are you actually need more money to own a Pagani than the other two
As for performance, if you are only interested in 1/4 miles times (Which begs the question why would you want one of these then anyway)then the others have it over the Pagani, but in the real world and on the track the Pagani has been proven to be the quicker car
So far from being the poor man’s hypercar the Pagani is actually the most desirable of the bunch
