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Old Nov 2, 2013 | 10:16 PM
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So much BS from McLaren. Ron said P1 would demolish the other 2 and now is afraid to tell the lap time...which might not be that impressive I guess.

Winners have no fear.
Where's the 6:47 now. Bunch of buffoons there at Woking, starting from the top
The F1 program blows and now this nonsense, laughable
 
Old Nov 2, 2013 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by WHITE997ttRS
Where's the 6:47 now. Bunch of buffoons there at Woking, starting from the top
The F1 program blows and now this nonsense, laughable
So after creating a very successful supercar, and a hypercar with fantastic potential, they're qualified as buffoons because their F1 program isn't doing well and they won't release an absolutely meaningless time for a racetrack.
Interesting, what a shame.
 
Old Nov 2, 2013 | 11:21 PM
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I understand where they are coming from but I honestly don't buy safety as the reason for not releasing the time I see it more of a cop out and a justification for their current action (or lack thereof) by not releasing a time. We know they were at the ring, we know they were shooting for a historic time, and now it's obvious they came up short and are not finding ways to justify their actions. I don't feel that this detracts from the car in any way but I think it bears mentioning and a bit of criticism for the bold claims they made prior to the release.
 
Old Nov 2, 2013 | 11:42 PM
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Please note McLaren haven't said they aren't releasing the time for safety reasons. Those are the opinions of the EVO editor. The only two quotes from McLaren in regards to this decision are identified clearly in what he has written. You may want to check it once more.

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Old Nov 3, 2013 | 02:07 AM
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If the time doesn't matter, McLaren should just release the time.

It must have fell short of the 918's lap time because if the P1 had gone faster McLaren would be using the number as a promotional bit to go with the launch of the car. This is a branch-off of an F1 team don't forget and these guys love numbers and the only time they stop talking about them is when it makes their cars look inferior.
 
Old Nov 3, 2013 | 12:31 PM
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It's highly curious. If my memory serves, didn't McLaren specifically state the P1 would be the fastest road car on a circuit? So is it good enough just that they say it is?

In any case what independent verification does anyone have on any car's time? I think I've read that there are even conflicting methods of where they measure such times to and from, and furthermore that most days the full circuit is not available to run a complete lap.

As stated in Erik's quote some of this is just nonsense escalating an ever increasing war. But I don't buy the idea that McLaren is bowing out of the game because it's dangerous. It's always been dangerous, that's no secret. Only now they gave a problem with it?

Let's face it, the automakers themselves are at fault for all this focus on numbers, that's why they push to innovate. Otherwise Ferrari would have long ago declared that 400hp was enough. Pushing the envelope model after model is the reason these companies exist. Don't say you want to join the game and then decide later you don't like the way it's played.

In any case I don't know what's to stop a P1 owner from hiring some hotshoe and trying to find out what it really is capable of. Who really cares if it beats the 918? They'll sell them all and most probably won't be driven that hard. Just release the time already.
 
Old Nov 3, 2013 | 12:53 PM
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I was mistaking the Evo editors words for mclaren's own I apologize. His opinion was more safety biased and I completely understand that. I'm just overall disappointed mostly because of all the false rumors we heard about 7:40 this and that so it's unsettling to hear that they weren't able to achieve these times, but ultimately we were obviously lead astray by false rumors which didn't come from mclaren?
 
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Originally Posted by joshg120
I was mistaking the Evo editors words for mclaren's own I apologize. His opinion was more safety biased and I completely understand that. I'm just overall disappointed mostly because of all the false rumors we heard about 7:40 this and that so it's unsettling to hear that they weren't able to achieve these times, but ultimately we were obviously lead astray by false rumors which didn't come from mclaren?
Where did you hear that they weren't able to achieve these times? I'm sorry, but those of you that are doubting the P1's lap time are only speculating or coming to conclusions without any factual basis.
 
Old Nov 3, 2013 | 03:15 PM
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^ if they had a spectacular lap time why would they not release it? It's rather obvious I'm just using my better judgement
 
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In next month's EVO magazine you'll be able to read the complete thoughts of David Vivian from his lap around the Ring in the passenger seat of the P1. Using his better judgement, he had this to say in summation:

"I’m convinced, as is he (referring to Chris Goodwin, McLaren's chief test driver), that the P1 isn’t just a seven-minute car but one that will go comfortably under that. We may never find out by how much, though. While McLaren will later confirm that the P1 did indeed beat its 7:00 target, it will reveal no more than that. However, if the stars aligned, and Goodwin kept his foot in, you can bet the lap made the Porsche 918’s mark of 6:57 seem a little pedestrian."
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