McLaren back at the Ring' with the P1
#71

The F1 program blows and now this nonsense, laughable
#72
Interesting, what a shame.
#73
I understand where they are coming from but I honestly don't buy safety as the reason for not releasing the time I see it more of a cop out and a justification for their current action (or lack thereof) by not releasing a time. We know they were at the ring, we know they were shooting for a historic time, and now it's obvious they came up short and are not finding ways to justify their actions. I don't feel that this detracts from the car in any way but I think it bears mentioning and a bit of criticism for the bold claims they made prior to the release.
#74
Please note McLaren haven't said they aren't releasing the time for safety reasons. Those are the opinions of the EVO editor. The only two quotes from McLaren in regards to this decision are identified clearly in what he has written. You may want to check it once more.
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#75
If the time doesn't matter, McLaren should just release the time.
It must have fell short of the 918's lap time because if the P1 had gone faster McLaren would be using the number as a promotional bit to go with the launch of the car. This is a branch-off of an F1 team don't forget and these guys love numbers and the only time they stop talking about them is when it makes their cars look inferior.
It must have fell short of the 918's lap time because if the P1 had gone faster McLaren would be using the number as a promotional bit to go with the launch of the car. This is a branch-off of an F1 team don't forget and these guys love numbers and the only time they stop talking about them is when it makes their cars look inferior.
#76
It's highly curious. If my memory serves, didn't McLaren specifically state the P1 would be the fastest road car on a circuit? So is it good enough just that they say it is?
In any case what independent verification does anyone have on any car's time? I think I've read that there are even conflicting methods of where they measure such times to and from, and furthermore that most days the full circuit is not available to run a complete lap.
As stated in Erik's quote some of this is just nonsense escalating an ever increasing war. But I don't buy the idea that McLaren is bowing out of the game because it's dangerous. It's always been dangerous, that's no secret. Only now they gave a problem with it?
Let's face it, the automakers themselves are at fault for all this focus on numbers, that's why they push to innovate. Otherwise Ferrari would have long ago declared that 400hp was enough. Pushing the envelope model after model is the reason these companies exist. Don't say you want to join the game and then decide later you don't like the way it's played.
In any case I don't know what's to stop a P1 owner from hiring some hotshoe and trying to find out what it really is capable of. Who really cares if it beats the 918? They'll sell them all and most probably won't be driven that hard. Just release the time already.
In any case what independent verification does anyone have on any car's time? I think I've read that there are even conflicting methods of where they measure such times to and from, and furthermore that most days the full circuit is not available to run a complete lap.
As stated in Erik's quote some of this is just nonsense escalating an ever increasing war. But I don't buy the idea that McLaren is bowing out of the game because it's dangerous. It's always been dangerous, that's no secret. Only now they gave a problem with it?
Let's face it, the automakers themselves are at fault for all this focus on numbers, that's why they push to innovate. Otherwise Ferrari would have long ago declared that 400hp was enough. Pushing the envelope model after model is the reason these companies exist. Don't say you want to join the game and then decide later you don't like the way it's played.
In any case I don't know what's to stop a P1 owner from hiring some hotshoe and trying to find out what it really is capable of. Who really cares if it beats the 918? They'll sell them all and most probably won't be driven that hard. Just release the time already.
#77
I was mistaking the Evo editors words for mclaren's own I apologize. His opinion was more safety biased and I completely understand that. I'm just overall disappointed mostly because of all the false rumors we heard about 7:40 this and that so it's unsettling to hear that they weren't able to achieve these times, but ultimately we were obviously lead astray by false rumors which didn't come from mclaren?
#78
I was mistaking the Evo editors words for mclaren's own I apologize. His opinion was more safety biased and I completely understand that. I'm just overall disappointed mostly because of all the false rumors we heard about 7:40 this and that so it's unsettling to hear that they weren't able to achieve these times, but ultimately we were obviously lead astray by false rumors which didn't come from mclaren?
#80
In next month's EVO magazine you'll be able to read the complete thoughts of David Vivian from his lap around the Ring in the passenger seat of the P1. Using his better judgement, he had this to say in summation:
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"I’m convinced, as is he (referring to Chris Goodwin, McLaren's chief test driver), that the P1 isn’t just a seven-minute car but one that will go comfortably under that. We may never find out by how much, though. While McLaren will later confirm that the P1 did indeed beat its 7:00 target, it will reveal no more than that. However, if the stars aligned, and Goodwin kept his foot in, you can bet the lap made the Porsche 918’s mark of 6:57 seem a little pedestrian."
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