GTR V-spec laps ring faster that carrera GT
Mar 4, 2011 | 08:30 PM
#32
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 413
The gtr is a great car no doubt . Ive had some awesome laps round the ring in a full
ring prepped gtr running trick dampers etc .
Nissan however have a notorious reputation re cars used for things like this and press cars here in europe . No other independent source was ever able to post similar times to any quoted gtr variant times .
Also remember cup style track tyres are worth 10 to 12 seconds at the ring , this has been proven several times by numerous euro mags . ( a cup type tyre is worth around 2 secs on a short uk track , the nordschleife runs over 20 km ) . The CGT runs terrible mixed compound 9 year old design/compound tyres ( the only part of the car Mr Rohrl didnt like btw ) .
Do the math re a CGT on decent rubber
( i mean more re other supercars not really the gtr )
Also fyi the carrera gt was tested at the ring on standard tyres with standard geo , same as the cars you could by .
ring prepped gtr running trick dampers etc .
Nissan however have a notorious reputation re cars used for things like this and press cars here in europe . No other independent source was ever able to post similar times to any quoted gtr variant times .
Also remember cup style track tyres are worth 10 to 12 seconds at the ring , this has been proven several times by numerous euro mags . ( a cup type tyre is worth around 2 secs on a short uk track , the nordschleife runs over 20 km ) . The CGT runs terrible mixed compound 9 year old design/compound tyres ( the only part of the car Mr Rohrl didnt like btw ) .
Do the math re a CGT on decent rubber
( i mean more re other supercars not really the gtr )
Also fyi the carrera gt was tested at the ring on standard tyres with standard geo , same as the cars you could by .
Last edited by wtdoom; Mar 4, 2011 at 09:23 PM. Reason: composition not up to scratch , very tired . sorry to drag up old stuff btw .
Mar 4, 2011 | 08:58 PM
#33
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 430
From: Massachusetts
The GTR is not a car I would ever own, but it does deserve respect. Performance for dollar it is King of the Ring.
7:03.28 176.90 km/h - Land Porsche 997 GT3 RSR race car, ~500 PS/1220
7:11* -- 172.07 km/h - McLaren F1 #LMXP1
7:11.57 171.69 km/h - Gumpert apollo sport, 700 PS/1200 kg;
7:12* -- 171.67 km/h - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (
7:14.89 171.18 km/h - Donkervoort D8 270 RS, 350 PS/600 kg,
7:15.63 169.31 km/h - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg,
7:18* -- 170.04 km/h - Porsche 911 GT2 RS, 620 PS/1370 kg *mfr.
7:18.01 170.24 km/h - Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg,
7:19* -- 169.93 km/h - Radical SR3 1500 Turbo,
7:22.1 - 169.74 km/h - 2009 Dodge Viper ACR, 600 PS/1488 kg,
7:22.1* 169.74 km/h - Schubert BMW 320d VLN SP10, 260 PS
7:22.9 - 169.07 km/h - Loaded BMW M3 CSL, 532.7 PS/1427 kg,
7:24* -- 168.64 km/h - Lexus LF-A, 552 PS/??? kg *unofficial, according to http://motormagazine.co.jp/2007/12/20081_4.html
7:24 --- 168.64 km/h - Gumpert apollo sport, 700 PS/1200 kg
7:24 --- 168.64 km/h - Porsche GT2 RS, 620 PS/1405 kg (sport auto 11/10)
7:24.29 168.53 km/h - Maserati MC12, 632 PS/1335 kg,
7:24.65 168.40 km/h - Pagani Zonda F Clubsport, 641 PS/1230 kg, v
7:25.21 168.19 km/h - Ferrari Enzo, 660 PS/1365 kg,
7:26.4* 167.74 km/h - Corvette ZR1, 620 PS/1519 kg
7:26.7* 165.69 km/h - 2010 Nissan GT-R Vspec, 478 PS/??? kg *provisional entry according to 7.26.7 - GT-R Register - Official Nissan Skyline and GTR Owners Club forum
7:27.56* 165.57 km/h - 2010 Nissan GT-R, 478 PS/??? kg, *company test driver Tochio Suzuki according to
7:28* -- 165.56 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg, * company test driver Walther Roehrl (Autobild 07/04)
7:28.71 164.76 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg (evo ?/08)
7:29* -- 164.68 km/h - 2009 Nissan GT-R, ??? PS/??? kg, *company test driver Tochio Suzuki
7:03.28 176.90 km/h - Land Porsche 997 GT3 RSR race car, ~500 PS/1220
7:11* -- 172.07 km/h - McLaren F1 #LMXP1
7:11.57 171.69 km/h - Gumpert apollo sport, 700 PS/1200 kg;
7:12* -- 171.67 km/h - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (
7:14.89 171.18 km/h - Donkervoort D8 270 RS, 350 PS/600 kg,
7:15.63 169.31 km/h - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg,
7:18* -- 170.04 km/h - Porsche 911 GT2 RS, 620 PS/1370 kg *mfr.
7:18.01 170.24 km/h - Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg,
7:19* -- 169.93 km/h - Radical SR3 1500 Turbo,
7:22.1 - 169.74 km/h - 2009 Dodge Viper ACR, 600 PS/1488 kg,
7:22.1* 169.74 km/h - Schubert BMW 320d VLN SP10, 260 PS
7:22.9 - 169.07 km/h - Loaded BMW M3 CSL, 532.7 PS/1427 kg,
7:24* -- 168.64 km/h - Lexus LF-A, 552 PS/??? kg *unofficial, according to http://motormagazine.co.jp/2007/12/20081_4.html
7:24 --- 168.64 km/h - Gumpert apollo sport, 700 PS/1200 kg
7:24 --- 168.64 km/h - Porsche GT2 RS, 620 PS/1405 kg (sport auto 11/10)
7:24.29 168.53 km/h - Maserati MC12, 632 PS/1335 kg,
7:24.65 168.40 km/h - Pagani Zonda F Clubsport, 641 PS/1230 kg, v
7:25.21 168.19 km/h - Ferrari Enzo, 660 PS/1365 kg,
7:26.4* 167.74 km/h - Corvette ZR1, 620 PS/1519 kg
7:26.7* 165.69 km/h - 2010 Nissan GT-R Vspec, 478 PS/??? kg *provisional entry according to 7.26.7 - GT-R Register - Official Nissan Skyline and GTR Owners Club forum
7:27.56* 165.57 km/h - 2010 Nissan GT-R, 478 PS/??? kg, *company test driver Tochio Suzuki according to
7:28* -- 165.56 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg, * company test driver Walther Roehrl (Autobild 07/04)
7:28.71 164.76 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg (evo ?/08)
7:29* -- 164.68 km/h - 2009 Nissan GT-R, ??? PS/??? kg, *company test driver Tochio Suzuki
Mar 5, 2011 | 12:54 AM
#35
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Posts: 1,355
From: Long Island, New York
BBturbo, I'm curious to know why you would never own a GTR. I consider you to be a real enthusiast as you have/driven/had some amazing cars. And also, have you ever driven the GTR? Again, it's just out of curiosity.
Mar 5, 2011 | 03:40 AM
#36
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Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 92
From: Italy
The last laptimes for Nordschleife
Nordschleife, Germany (20600 m)
Pos Make / Model Time Speed (km/h) Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Radical SR8LM 6:48.00 182 0 455 / 650 Michael Vergers
2. Radical SR8 6:55.00 179 '05 363 / 650 Michael Vergers
3. Gumpert Apollo Speed 7:11.57 172 '09 700 / 1200 Florian Gruber
4. Donkervoort D8 RS 7:14.89 171 '05 350 / 600 Michael Duechting
5. Porsche 997 GT2 RS 7:18.00 169 '10 620 / 1370 Timo Kluck
6. Radical SR3 Turbo 7:19.00 169 '03 320 / 500 Phil Bennett
7. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 7:22.10 168 '08 600 / 1536 Motor Trend
8. Gumpert Apollo Sport 7:24.00 167 '07 700 / 1200 sportauto
9. Nissan GT-R 7:24.22 167 '11 530 / 1736 Nissan
10. Maserati MC12 7:24.29 167 '04 632 / 1335 Marc Basseng
11. Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 7:24.65 167 '05 650 / 1230 Marc Basseng
12. Ferrari Enzo 7:25.21 167 '02 660 / 1365 Marc Basseng
13. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 7:26.40 166 '08 647 / 1530 Jim Mero
14. Nissan GT-R 7:26.70 166 '08 479 / 1740 Toshio Suzuki
15. Ferrari 458 Italia 7:28.00 166 '09 570 / 1540 Scuderia Autoropa
16. Porsche Carrera GT 7:28.71 165 '03 612 / 1380 Walther Röhrl
17. Porsche 997 GT2 7:31.00 164 '07 530 / 1440 Walter Röhrl
18. Pagani Zonda F 7:33.00 164 '05 602 / 1371 Sport Auto
19. Porsche 997 GT3 RS (facelift) 7:33.00 164 '10 450 / 1400 sportauto
20. Koenigsegg CCX 7:33.55 164 '06 806 / 1456 Marc Basseng
21. Koenigsegg CCR 7:34.00 163 '04 806 / 1418 Sport Auto
22. Audi R8 GT 7:34.00 163 '10 560 / 1520 Horst von Saurma
23. Nissan GT-R Spec-V 7:34.46 163 '09 492 / 1680 Best Motoring
24. RUF RT12 7:35.00 163 '05 650 / 1573 Sport Auto
25. Porsche 997 Turbo 7:38.00 162 '06 480 / 1585 Porsche
26. Lexus LF-A 7:38.00 162 '10 560 / 1609 Sportauto
27. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 7:39.00 162 '07 510 / 1402 sportauto
28. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 7:40.00 161 '06 640 / 1805 AutoBild sportscars
29. McLaren Mercedes SLR 7:40.00 161 '03 626 / 1693 Klaus Ludwig
30. Porsche 997 GT3 (facelift) 7:40.00 161 '09 435 / 1376 Walter Rhorl
31. Mercedes SLS AMG 7:40.00 161 '10 571 / 1620 Christoph
32. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 7:40.76 161 '10 570 / 1430 Sascha Bert (sportsc
33. Porsche 997 Turbo S 7:41.23 161 '10 530 / 1585 AutoBild Sportscars
34. Porsche 997 GT3 7:42.00 161 '06 415 / 1395 Walter Rƶhrl
35. Radical SR3 7:42.00 161 '02 205 / 495
36. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 7:42.00 161 '09 670 / 1664 Horst von Saurma
37. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 7:42.90 160 '05 513 / 1437 Jan Magnussen
38. Porsche 996 GT3 RS 7:43.00 160 '03 381 / 1360 "Motor" magazine
39. Pagani Zonda C12 S 7:44.00 160 '02 555 / 1250 Sport Auto
40. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 7:44.00 160 '09 525 / 1620 sportauto
41. Mercedes CLK 63 Black Series 7:45.00 159 '07 507 / 1745 berndt schneider
42. Gardner Douglas GD T70 Spyder 7:45.00 159 '10 710 / 900 Dario Margutti
43. Porsche 996 GT2 7:46.00 159 '00 460 / 1430 Sport Auto
44. Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 7:46.00 159 '07 530 / 1520 Auto (Italy)
45. Jaguar XJ220 7:46.37 159 '92 549 / 1470 John Nielsen
46. Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 7:47.00 159 '06 620 / 1748 Sport Auto
47. Wiesmann GT MF5 7:47.00 159 '08 507 / 1380 sportauto
48. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 7:47.00 159 '09 500 / 1570 sportauto
49. Porsche 997 GT3 RS 7:48.00 158 '06 415 / 1375 Sport Auto
50. BMW M3 GTS 7:48.00 158 '10 450 / 1543 sportauto
51. Porsche 997 Turbo S Cabriolet 7:48.16 158 '10 530 / 1660 autobild
52. Lamborghini Murcielago 7:50.00 158 '02 580 / 1800 Sport Auto
53. BMW M3 CSL (E46) 7:50.00 158 '03 360 / 1385 Sport Auto
54. Porsche 997 Carrera S (2008 facelift) 7:50.00 158 '08 385 / 1425
55. Audi R8 V10 Spyder 7:50.50 158 '10 525 / 1720 autobild
56. Mercedes SL65 AMG Black Series 7:51.00 157 '09 670 / 1870 Sport Auto 05/2009
57. Lamborghini Gallardo 7:52.00 157 '03 500 / 1613 Sport Auto
58. Ford GT 7:52.00 157 '04 550 / 1538 Sport Auto
59. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7:52.00 157 '08 560 / 1530 sportauto
60. Wiesmann GT MF5 7:52.39 157 '08 507 / 1380 Sascha Bert (sportsc
61. Ruf Turbo RT 600 7:52.84 157 '08 600 / 1657 AutoBild Sportscars
62. Mercedes CLK DTM 7:54.00 156 '04 582 / 1678 Sport Auto
63. Porsche 996 GT3 late 7:54.00 156 '03 380 / 1380 Sport Auto
64. Ferrari F430 7:55.00 156 '05 489 / 1450 Sport Auto
65. Caterham R500 1.8L K Series 7:55.00 156 '99 233 / 450 Robert Nearn
66. Porsche 996 Turbo 7:56.00 156 '00 420 / 1540 Sport Auto
67. Ferrari 360 CS 7:56.00 156 '03 425 / 1280 sport auto 02/2004
68. Ferrari California GT 7:56.00 156 '09 460 / 1787
69. Chevrolet Corvette C5Z06 '02-'04 7:56.00 156 '01 411 / 1414 Dave Hill
70. Porsche Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo 7:56.00 156 '09 500 / 1974 Walter Roehrl (AutoB
71. Porsche Panamera Turbo 7:56.00 156 '09 500 / 1870 Walter Röhrl
72. Porsche 996 GT3 early 7:56.33 156 '99 360 / 1350 Walter Rohl
73. Honda NSX-R 7:56.73 156 '02 280 / 1270 Gan San
74. Audi RS4 (B7) 7:58.00 155 '05 420 / 1720 Frank Stippler
75. Chevrolet Corvette C6 7:59.00 155 '04 400 / 1470 Motortrend
76. Porsche 997 Carrera S 7:59.00 155 '04 355 / 1420 Walter Roehrl, WHEEL
77. Cadillac CTS-V 7:59.32 155 '09 564 / 1955 john heinricy
78. Bugatti EB 110 SS (US market version) 8:01.00 154 '92 600 / 1735
79. Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R 8:01.00 154 '95 280 / 1601 Gansan (V-Spec model
80. Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 8:01.84 154 '06 520 / 1748 Wolfgang Kaufmann
81. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 8:01.90 154 '06 420 / 1560 Sportscars
82. Aston Martin DBS 8:02.00 154 '07 517 / 1695 Sport Auto
83. Aston Martin V8 Vantage (380bhp) 8:03.00 154 '05 385 / 1636 Sport Auto
84. Honda NSX-R (3.0) 8:03.86 153 0 274 / 1281 Motoharu Kurosawa
85. Lamborghini Diablo GT 8:04.00 153 '99 570 / 1520 Sport Auto
86. Porsche 997 Carrera 4S (facelift) 8:04.52 153 '08 385 / 1425 sportscars
87. RUF CTR Yellow Bird 8:05.00 153 '87 469 / 1150
88. Ferrari 575 Maranello 8:05.00 153 '02 515 / 1760 Sport Auto
89. BMW M3 (E92) 8:05.00 153 '07 420 / 1619 Sport Auto
90. Porsche Cayman S(facelift) PDK 8:06.00 153 '08 320 / 1375
91. Mercedes SL 55 AMG (517 ps) 8:06.00 153 '06 517 / 1960 sport Auto Mag
92. Subaru Impreza STI Spec C MK.II 8:06.01 153 '05 280 / 1370 Motoharu Kurosawa
93. Caterham Superlight R 8:06.20 153 '97 193 / 525 Autocar
94. Ferrari 550 Maranello 8:07.00 152 '96 486 / 1690 Sport Auto
95. BMW Z8 8:07.00 152 '00 400 / 1585
96. BMW M6 8:07.76 152 '05 507 / 1710 Sportauto
97. Porsche 964 Turbo 3.3 (320hp) 8:08.71 152 '91 320 / 1470 best motoring
98. Ferrari 360 Modena 8:09.00 152 '99 400 / 1390 Sport Auto
99. Lamborghini Diablo SV 8:09.00 152 '97 519 / 1590 sportauto
100. Audi RS6 Avant (C6) 8:09.00 152 '08 579 / 2025 Audi claim
101. Audi TT-RS Coupe 8:09.00 152 '09 340 / 1450 SportAuto
102. Porsche 993 GT2 8:09.30 152 '95 430 / 1290 Sportauto
103. Donkervoort D8 180R 8:10.00 151 '01 240 / 675 Sport Auto
104. Dodge Viper GTS 8:10.00 151 '97 457 / 1580 Sport Auto
105. Alpina B6 S 8:10.00 151 '08 530 / 1815 sportauto
106. KTM X-Bow 8:10.00 151 '08 241 / 871 sportauto
107. Mercedes E63 AMG 8:10.00 151 '09 525 / 1765 sportauto
108. Porsche Cayman S 8:11.00 151 '05 295 / 1406 Walter Roehrl (*mfr.
109. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 8:11.00 151 '05 290 / 1482 Best Motoring
110. Porsche 993 Turbo 3.6 factory kit 8:12.00 151 '97 430 / 1506 sportauto
111. Mercedes SL 55 AMG 8:12.00 151 '02 476 / 1855 Sport Auto
112. Lotus Esprit Sport 350 8:13.00 150 '99 354 / 1324 Sport Auto
113. Dodge Viper SRT-10 8:13.00 150 '05 506 / 1600 Sport Auto
114. BMW M5 (E60) 8:13.00 150 '05 507 / 1848 Sport Auto
115. Ferrari F355 8:13.00 150 '95 380 / 1350
116. Mercedes C 63 AMG 8:13.00 150 '07 457 / 1772 sport auto
117. Artega GT 8:13.00 150 '09 299 / 1272 Horst von Saurma
118. Mercedes SL65 AMG 8:14.00 150 '04 612 / 2049 Sport Auto
119. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series 8:14.00 150 '06 400 / 1506 Sport Auto
120. Alpina B3 Biturbo 8:14.00 150 '07 360 / 1626 sportauto
121. Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupe 8:14.00 150 '07 360 / 1560 Horst von Saurma
122. Porsche 997 Carrera 8:15.00 150 '04 325 / 1395 Walter Rƶhrl
123. RUF BR2 EKS 8:15.00 150 '92 360 / 1355 sportauto
124. Alpina Z4 Roadster S 8:15.00 150 '03 300 / 1416 sportauto
125. RUF CTR2 8:15.00 150 '97 520 / 1422 AutoCar
126. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR 8:15.00 150 '05 290 / 1455 Best Motoring
127. Aston Martin DB9 8:16.00 150 '04 450 / 1710 Sport Auto
128. Honda NSX 3.0 (1991) 8:16.15 149 '91 274 / 1362 Motoharu Kurosawa (b
129. BMW M6 Cabrio 8:16.52 149 '07 507 / 1930 Wolfgang Kaufmann
130. Renault Megane R26.R 8:16.90 149 '08 230 / 1252 Vincent Bayle
131. Porsche 996 Carrera 8:17.00 149 '97 300 / 1320 Sport Auto
132. Porsche 996 Carrera 320hp 8:17.00 149 '01 320 / 1345 Sport Auto
133. Aston Martin V12 Vanquish 8:17.00 149 '01 460 / 1882 Sport Auto
134. Chevrolet Corvette C5 Comm. Edition Targa 8:18.00 149 '04 344 / 1452 Sportauto
135. Maserati Coupe GranSport 8:18.00 149 '04 400 / 1680 Sport Auto
136. Porsche 987 Boxster S (276bhp) 8:18.00 149 '05 280 / 1345 Walter Rohl
137. Lexus IS F 8:18.00 149 '07 423 / 1732 Sport Auto
138. Porsche Boxster S (facelift) 8:18.00 149 '09 310 / 1380 sportauto
139. Audi RS6 (C5) 8:20.00 148 '02 450 / 1840
140. Chevrolet Camaro SS 2010 8:20.00 148 '10 432 / 1750 Chevrolet test team
141. BMW M3 (E46) 8:22.00 148 '00 343 / 1565 "Sport Auto"
142. Mercedes C 55 AMG 8:22.00 148 '04 367 / 1680 Sport Auto
143. BMW Z3 M Coupe 8:22.00 148 '99 315 / 1465 sportauto
144. Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R 8:22.38 148 '89 280 / 1430 Motoharu Kurosawa (b
145. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 8:22.85 147 '08 260 / 1352
146. Porsche 986 Boxster S (262bhp) 8:23.00 147 '04 266 / 1320 Sport Auto
147. Aston Martin DB7 GT 8:23.00 147 '03 435 / 1780 Sport Auto
148. VW Golf R 8:23.00 147 '10 271 / 1466 Hans Joachim Stuck
149. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG 8:24.00 147 '06 360 / 1495 Sport Auto
150. Subaru Impreza WRX STi 8:24.00 147 '05 280 / 1500 Sport Auto
151. BMW X6 M 8:24.00 147 '09 555 / 2343 sportauto
152. Mitsubishi Evo VII 8:25.00 147 '02 280 / 1454 Sportauto
153. Audi RS4 Avant (B5) 8:25.00 147 '00 380 / 1675 Sportauto
154. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI 8:25.00 147 '99 280 / 1384 Sportauto
155. Callaway C12 8:25.00 147 '99 400 / 1565 Sport Auto
156. Jaguar XKR 8:25.00 147 '06 420 / 1776 Sport Auto
157. Lotus Exige S Performance-Pack 8:25.00 147 '06 243 / 940 Sport Auto
158. Mercedes SLK 32 AMG 8:26.00 147 '01 354 / 1395 Sport Auto
159. Nissan 350Z (283bhp) 8:26.00 147 '02 287 / 1532 Sport Auto
160. BMW 335i Coupe 8:26.00 147 '06 306 / 1610 Sport Auto
161. Audi S5 8:26.00 147 '07 354 / 1630 Sport Auto
162. Ford Focus RS Mk. II 8:26.00 147 '09 305 / 1467 Sport Auto
163. BMW M5 (E39) 8:28.00 146 '98 400 / 1795 Sport Auto
164. Porsche 993 Carrera 8:28.00 146 '93 272 / 1350 Sport Auto
165. Porsche 993 Carrera Cabrio 8:28.00 146 '95 286 / 1370 Sport Auto
166. Porsche 964 Carrera RS 8:28.00 146 '91 260 / 1220 sportauto
167. Porsche 993 Carrera 2 (285 PS) 8:28.00 146 '95 285 / 1398 Sport Auto
168. Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 8:28.10 146 '98 280 / 1666 Autocar
169. Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec II 8:28.10 146 '98 305 / 1532 Steve Sutcliffe
170. Mercedes CLK 55 AMG 8:29.00 146 '99 347 / 1520 Sport Auto
171. Audi S4 (B6) Avant 8:29.00 146 '03 344 / 1720 sportauto
172. Audi TT-S Coupe 8:29.00 146 '08 272 / 1395 Sport Auto
173. Renault Megane RS Mk III 8:29.00 146 '09 250 / 1387 Horst von Saurma
174. Maserati Coupe Cambiocorsa 8:30.00 145 '02 390 / 1580 Sport Auto
175. VW Scirocco R 8:30.00 145 '09 265 / 1289 Hans Stuck
176. Pontiac G8 GXP 8:30.00 145 '08 420 / 1828 Non-Professional Guy
177. Cadillac STS-V 8:31.00 145 '06 476 / 1948 AutoWeek
178. BMW Z4 3.0i 8:32.00 145 '03 231 / 1384 Sportauto
179. BMW Z4 3.0si Coupe 8:32.00 145 '06 265 / 1408 Sportauto
180. BMW Z3 M Roadster 8:32.00 145 '97 321 / 1350 Sport Auto
181. Lotus Exige 8:32.00 145 '04 192 / 907 Sport Auto
182. Porsche 986 Boxster S (248bhp) 8:32.00 145 '99 252 / 1295 Sport Auto
183. Porsche Cayenne Turbo (Mk II) 8:33.99 144 '08 500 / 2260 Patrick Simon
184. Vauxhall VX220 Turbo 8:34.00 144 '03 200 / 930 "Sport Auto"
185. Opel Speedster Turbo 8:34.00 144 0 200 / 928 Sportauto
186. BMW Z3 3.0i 8:34.00 144 '00 231 / 1330 Sport Auto
187. BMW M3 (E36) 8:35.00 144 '96 321 / 1474 Sport Auto
188. Ford Focus ST 8:35.00 144 '05 225 / 1392 Patrick Bernhard
189. Opel Astra OPC '05 8:35.00 144 '05 241 / 1318 Manuel Reuter
190. Mini John Cooper Works 8:35.00 144 '08 211 / 1130 Sport Auto
191. Porsche 987 Boxster S (291bhp) 8:35.70 144 '06 295 / 1355 Auto Zeitung Superca
192. Porsche 986 Boxster (225bhp) 8:36.00 144 '02 228 / 1275 Sport Auto
193. Alpina B3 3.3 Limousine 8:36.00 144 '99 280 / 1495 sportauto
194. Subaru Impreza GT Turbo 8:37.00 143 '98 218 / 1230 Sport Auto
195. Maserati 3200 GT 8:37.00 143 '98 370 / 1590 Sport Auto
196. Mercedes C 32 AMG 8:37.00 143 '01 354 / 1535 Sport Auto
197. VW Golf Mk IV R32 8:37.00 143 '02 241 / 1452 Sport Auto
198. Honda NSX 3.2 8:38.00 143 '97 280 / 1388 Sportauto
199. Renault Megane Sport Trophy 8:38.00 143 '05 224 / 1371 Sportauto
200. Mercedes SL 500 8:38.00 143 '98 306 / 1795 Sport Auto
Nordschleife, Germany (20600 m)
Pos Make / Model Time Speed (km/h) Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Radical SR8LM 6:48.00 182 0 455 / 650 Michael Vergers
2. Radical SR8 6:55.00 179 '05 363 / 650 Michael Vergers
3. Gumpert Apollo Speed 7:11.57 172 '09 700 / 1200 Florian Gruber
4. Donkervoort D8 RS 7:14.89 171 '05 350 / 600 Michael Duechting
5. Porsche 997 GT2 RS 7:18.00 169 '10 620 / 1370 Timo Kluck
6. Radical SR3 Turbo 7:19.00 169 '03 320 / 500 Phil Bennett
7. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 7:22.10 168 '08 600 / 1536 Motor Trend
8. Gumpert Apollo Sport 7:24.00 167 '07 700 / 1200 sportauto
9. Nissan GT-R 7:24.22 167 '11 530 / 1736 Nissan
10. Maserati MC12 7:24.29 167 '04 632 / 1335 Marc Basseng
11. Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 7:24.65 167 '05 650 / 1230 Marc Basseng
12. Ferrari Enzo 7:25.21 167 '02 660 / 1365 Marc Basseng
13. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 7:26.40 166 '08 647 / 1530 Jim Mero
14. Nissan GT-R 7:26.70 166 '08 479 / 1740 Toshio Suzuki
15. Ferrari 458 Italia 7:28.00 166 '09 570 / 1540 Scuderia Autoropa
16. Porsche Carrera GT 7:28.71 165 '03 612 / 1380 Walther Röhrl
17. Porsche 997 GT2 7:31.00 164 '07 530 / 1440 Walter Röhrl
18. Pagani Zonda F 7:33.00 164 '05 602 / 1371 Sport Auto
19. Porsche 997 GT3 RS (facelift) 7:33.00 164 '10 450 / 1400 sportauto
20. Koenigsegg CCX 7:33.55 164 '06 806 / 1456 Marc Basseng
21. Koenigsegg CCR 7:34.00 163 '04 806 / 1418 Sport Auto
22. Audi R8 GT 7:34.00 163 '10 560 / 1520 Horst von Saurma
23. Nissan GT-R Spec-V 7:34.46 163 '09 492 / 1680 Best Motoring
24. RUF RT12 7:35.00 163 '05 650 / 1573 Sport Auto
25. Porsche 997 Turbo 7:38.00 162 '06 480 / 1585 Porsche
26. Lexus LF-A 7:38.00 162 '10 560 / 1609 Sportauto
27. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 7:39.00 162 '07 510 / 1402 sportauto
28. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 7:40.00 161 '06 640 / 1805 AutoBild sportscars
29. McLaren Mercedes SLR 7:40.00 161 '03 626 / 1693 Klaus Ludwig
30. Porsche 997 GT3 (facelift) 7:40.00 161 '09 435 / 1376 Walter Rhorl
31. Mercedes SLS AMG 7:40.00 161 '10 571 / 1620 Christoph
32. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 7:40.76 161 '10 570 / 1430 Sascha Bert (sportsc
33. Porsche 997 Turbo S 7:41.23 161 '10 530 / 1585 AutoBild Sportscars
34. Porsche 997 GT3 7:42.00 161 '06 415 / 1395 Walter Rƶhrl
35. Radical SR3 7:42.00 161 '02 205 / 495
36. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 7:42.00 161 '09 670 / 1664 Horst von Saurma
37. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 7:42.90 160 '05 513 / 1437 Jan Magnussen
38. Porsche 996 GT3 RS 7:43.00 160 '03 381 / 1360 "Motor" magazine
39. Pagani Zonda C12 S 7:44.00 160 '02 555 / 1250 Sport Auto
40. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 7:44.00 160 '09 525 / 1620 sportauto
41. Mercedes CLK 63 Black Series 7:45.00 159 '07 507 / 1745 berndt schneider
42. Gardner Douglas GD T70 Spyder 7:45.00 159 '10 710 / 900 Dario Margutti
43. Porsche 996 GT2 7:46.00 159 '00 460 / 1430 Sport Auto
44. Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 7:46.00 159 '07 530 / 1520 Auto (Italy)
45. Jaguar XJ220 7:46.37 159 '92 549 / 1470 John Nielsen
46. Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 7:47.00 159 '06 620 / 1748 Sport Auto
47. Wiesmann GT MF5 7:47.00 159 '08 507 / 1380 sportauto
48. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 7:47.00 159 '09 500 / 1570 sportauto
49. Porsche 997 GT3 RS 7:48.00 158 '06 415 / 1375 Sport Auto
50. BMW M3 GTS 7:48.00 158 '10 450 / 1543 sportauto
51. Porsche 997 Turbo S Cabriolet 7:48.16 158 '10 530 / 1660 autobild
52. Lamborghini Murcielago 7:50.00 158 '02 580 / 1800 Sport Auto
53. BMW M3 CSL (E46) 7:50.00 158 '03 360 / 1385 Sport Auto
54. Porsche 997 Carrera S (2008 facelift) 7:50.00 158 '08 385 / 1425
55. Audi R8 V10 Spyder 7:50.50 158 '10 525 / 1720 autobild
56. Mercedes SL65 AMG Black Series 7:51.00 157 '09 670 / 1870 Sport Auto 05/2009
57. Lamborghini Gallardo 7:52.00 157 '03 500 / 1613 Sport Auto
58. Ford GT 7:52.00 157 '04 550 / 1538 Sport Auto
59. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7:52.00 157 '08 560 / 1530 sportauto
60. Wiesmann GT MF5 7:52.39 157 '08 507 / 1380 Sascha Bert (sportsc
61. Ruf Turbo RT 600 7:52.84 157 '08 600 / 1657 AutoBild Sportscars
62. Mercedes CLK DTM 7:54.00 156 '04 582 / 1678 Sport Auto
63. Porsche 996 GT3 late 7:54.00 156 '03 380 / 1380 Sport Auto
64. Ferrari F430 7:55.00 156 '05 489 / 1450 Sport Auto
65. Caterham R500 1.8L K Series 7:55.00 156 '99 233 / 450 Robert Nearn
66. Porsche 996 Turbo 7:56.00 156 '00 420 / 1540 Sport Auto
67. Ferrari 360 CS 7:56.00 156 '03 425 / 1280 sport auto 02/2004
68. Ferrari California GT 7:56.00 156 '09 460 / 1787
69. Chevrolet Corvette C5Z06 '02-'04 7:56.00 156 '01 411 / 1414 Dave Hill
70. Porsche Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo 7:56.00 156 '09 500 / 1974 Walter Roehrl (AutoB
71. Porsche Panamera Turbo 7:56.00 156 '09 500 / 1870 Walter Röhrl
72. Porsche 996 GT3 early 7:56.33 156 '99 360 / 1350 Walter Rohl
73. Honda NSX-R 7:56.73 156 '02 280 / 1270 Gan San
74. Audi RS4 (B7) 7:58.00 155 '05 420 / 1720 Frank Stippler
75. Chevrolet Corvette C6 7:59.00 155 '04 400 / 1470 Motortrend
76. Porsche 997 Carrera S 7:59.00 155 '04 355 / 1420 Walter Roehrl, WHEEL
77. Cadillac CTS-V 7:59.32 155 '09 564 / 1955 john heinricy
78. Bugatti EB 110 SS (US market version) 8:01.00 154 '92 600 / 1735
79. Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R 8:01.00 154 '95 280 / 1601 Gansan (V-Spec model
80. Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 8:01.84 154 '06 520 / 1748 Wolfgang Kaufmann
81. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 8:01.90 154 '06 420 / 1560 Sportscars
82. Aston Martin DBS 8:02.00 154 '07 517 / 1695 Sport Auto
83. Aston Martin V8 Vantage (380bhp) 8:03.00 154 '05 385 / 1636 Sport Auto
84. Honda NSX-R (3.0) 8:03.86 153 0 274 / 1281 Motoharu Kurosawa
85. Lamborghini Diablo GT 8:04.00 153 '99 570 / 1520 Sport Auto
86. Porsche 997 Carrera 4S (facelift) 8:04.52 153 '08 385 / 1425 sportscars
87. RUF CTR Yellow Bird 8:05.00 153 '87 469 / 1150
88. Ferrari 575 Maranello 8:05.00 153 '02 515 / 1760 Sport Auto
89. BMW M3 (E92) 8:05.00 153 '07 420 / 1619 Sport Auto
90. Porsche Cayman S(facelift) PDK 8:06.00 153 '08 320 / 1375
91. Mercedes SL 55 AMG (517 ps) 8:06.00 153 '06 517 / 1960 sport Auto Mag
92. Subaru Impreza STI Spec C MK.II 8:06.01 153 '05 280 / 1370 Motoharu Kurosawa
93. Caterham Superlight R 8:06.20 153 '97 193 / 525 Autocar
94. Ferrari 550 Maranello 8:07.00 152 '96 486 / 1690 Sport Auto
95. BMW Z8 8:07.00 152 '00 400 / 1585
96. BMW M6 8:07.76 152 '05 507 / 1710 Sportauto
97. Porsche 964 Turbo 3.3 (320hp) 8:08.71 152 '91 320 / 1470 best motoring
98. Ferrari 360 Modena 8:09.00 152 '99 400 / 1390 Sport Auto
99. Lamborghini Diablo SV 8:09.00 152 '97 519 / 1590 sportauto
100. Audi RS6 Avant (C6) 8:09.00 152 '08 579 / 2025 Audi claim
101. Audi TT-RS Coupe 8:09.00 152 '09 340 / 1450 SportAuto
102. Porsche 993 GT2 8:09.30 152 '95 430 / 1290 Sportauto
103. Donkervoort D8 180R 8:10.00 151 '01 240 / 675 Sport Auto
104. Dodge Viper GTS 8:10.00 151 '97 457 / 1580 Sport Auto
105. Alpina B6 S 8:10.00 151 '08 530 / 1815 sportauto
106. KTM X-Bow 8:10.00 151 '08 241 / 871 sportauto
107. Mercedes E63 AMG 8:10.00 151 '09 525 / 1765 sportauto
108. Porsche Cayman S 8:11.00 151 '05 295 / 1406 Walter Roehrl (*mfr.
109. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 8:11.00 151 '05 290 / 1482 Best Motoring
110. Porsche 993 Turbo 3.6 factory kit 8:12.00 151 '97 430 / 1506 sportauto
111. Mercedes SL 55 AMG 8:12.00 151 '02 476 / 1855 Sport Auto
112. Lotus Esprit Sport 350 8:13.00 150 '99 354 / 1324 Sport Auto
113. Dodge Viper SRT-10 8:13.00 150 '05 506 / 1600 Sport Auto
114. BMW M5 (E60) 8:13.00 150 '05 507 / 1848 Sport Auto
115. Ferrari F355 8:13.00 150 '95 380 / 1350
116. Mercedes C 63 AMG 8:13.00 150 '07 457 / 1772 sport auto
117. Artega GT 8:13.00 150 '09 299 / 1272 Horst von Saurma
118. Mercedes SL65 AMG 8:14.00 150 '04 612 / 2049 Sport Auto
119. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series 8:14.00 150 '06 400 / 1506 Sport Auto
120. Alpina B3 Biturbo 8:14.00 150 '07 360 / 1626 sportauto
121. Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupe 8:14.00 150 '07 360 / 1560 Horst von Saurma
122. Porsche 997 Carrera 8:15.00 150 '04 325 / 1395 Walter Rƶhrl
123. RUF BR2 EKS 8:15.00 150 '92 360 / 1355 sportauto
124. Alpina Z4 Roadster S 8:15.00 150 '03 300 / 1416 sportauto
125. RUF CTR2 8:15.00 150 '97 520 / 1422 AutoCar
126. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR 8:15.00 150 '05 290 / 1455 Best Motoring
127. Aston Martin DB9 8:16.00 150 '04 450 / 1710 Sport Auto
128. Honda NSX 3.0 (1991) 8:16.15 149 '91 274 / 1362 Motoharu Kurosawa (b
129. BMW M6 Cabrio 8:16.52 149 '07 507 / 1930 Wolfgang Kaufmann
130. Renault Megane R26.R 8:16.90 149 '08 230 / 1252 Vincent Bayle
131. Porsche 996 Carrera 8:17.00 149 '97 300 / 1320 Sport Auto
132. Porsche 996 Carrera 320hp 8:17.00 149 '01 320 / 1345 Sport Auto
133. Aston Martin V12 Vanquish 8:17.00 149 '01 460 / 1882 Sport Auto
134. Chevrolet Corvette C5 Comm. Edition Targa 8:18.00 149 '04 344 / 1452 Sportauto
135. Maserati Coupe GranSport 8:18.00 149 '04 400 / 1680 Sport Auto
136. Porsche 987 Boxster S (276bhp) 8:18.00 149 '05 280 / 1345 Walter Rohl
137. Lexus IS F 8:18.00 149 '07 423 / 1732 Sport Auto
138. Porsche Boxster S (facelift) 8:18.00 149 '09 310 / 1380 sportauto
139. Audi RS6 (C5) 8:20.00 148 '02 450 / 1840
140. Chevrolet Camaro SS 2010 8:20.00 148 '10 432 / 1750 Chevrolet test team
141. BMW M3 (E46) 8:22.00 148 '00 343 / 1565 "Sport Auto"
142. Mercedes C 55 AMG 8:22.00 148 '04 367 / 1680 Sport Auto
143. BMW Z3 M Coupe 8:22.00 148 '99 315 / 1465 sportauto
144. Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R 8:22.38 148 '89 280 / 1430 Motoharu Kurosawa (b
145. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 8:22.85 147 '08 260 / 1352
146. Porsche 986 Boxster S (262bhp) 8:23.00 147 '04 266 / 1320 Sport Auto
147. Aston Martin DB7 GT 8:23.00 147 '03 435 / 1780 Sport Auto
148. VW Golf R 8:23.00 147 '10 271 / 1466 Hans Joachim Stuck
149. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG 8:24.00 147 '06 360 / 1495 Sport Auto
150. Subaru Impreza WRX STi 8:24.00 147 '05 280 / 1500 Sport Auto
151. BMW X6 M 8:24.00 147 '09 555 / 2343 sportauto
152. Mitsubishi Evo VII 8:25.00 147 '02 280 / 1454 Sportauto
153. Audi RS4 Avant (B5) 8:25.00 147 '00 380 / 1675 Sportauto
154. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI 8:25.00 147 '99 280 / 1384 Sportauto
155. Callaway C12 8:25.00 147 '99 400 / 1565 Sport Auto
156. Jaguar XKR 8:25.00 147 '06 420 / 1776 Sport Auto
157. Lotus Exige S Performance-Pack 8:25.00 147 '06 243 / 940 Sport Auto
158. Mercedes SLK 32 AMG 8:26.00 147 '01 354 / 1395 Sport Auto
159. Nissan 350Z (283bhp) 8:26.00 147 '02 287 / 1532 Sport Auto
160. BMW 335i Coupe 8:26.00 147 '06 306 / 1610 Sport Auto
161. Audi S5 8:26.00 147 '07 354 / 1630 Sport Auto
162. Ford Focus RS Mk. II 8:26.00 147 '09 305 / 1467 Sport Auto
163. BMW M5 (E39) 8:28.00 146 '98 400 / 1795 Sport Auto
164. Porsche 993 Carrera 8:28.00 146 '93 272 / 1350 Sport Auto
165. Porsche 993 Carrera Cabrio 8:28.00 146 '95 286 / 1370 Sport Auto
166. Porsche 964 Carrera RS 8:28.00 146 '91 260 / 1220 sportauto
167. Porsche 993 Carrera 2 (285 PS) 8:28.00 146 '95 285 / 1398 Sport Auto
168. Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 8:28.10 146 '98 280 / 1666 Autocar
169. Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec II 8:28.10 146 '98 305 / 1532 Steve Sutcliffe
170. Mercedes CLK 55 AMG 8:29.00 146 '99 347 / 1520 Sport Auto
171. Audi S4 (B6) Avant 8:29.00 146 '03 344 / 1720 sportauto
172. Audi TT-S Coupe 8:29.00 146 '08 272 / 1395 Sport Auto
173. Renault Megane RS Mk III 8:29.00 146 '09 250 / 1387 Horst von Saurma
174. Maserati Coupe Cambiocorsa 8:30.00 145 '02 390 / 1580 Sport Auto
175. VW Scirocco R 8:30.00 145 '09 265 / 1289 Hans Stuck
176. Pontiac G8 GXP 8:30.00 145 '08 420 / 1828 Non-Professional Guy
177. Cadillac STS-V 8:31.00 145 '06 476 / 1948 AutoWeek
178. BMW Z4 3.0i 8:32.00 145 '03 231 / 1384 Sportauto
179. BMW Z4 3.0si Coupe 8:32.00 145 '06 265 / 1408 Sportauto
180. BMW Z3 M Roadster 8:32.00 145 '97 321 / 1350 Sport Auto
181. Lotus Exige 8:32.00 145 '04 192 / 907 Sport Auto
182. Porsche 986 Boxster S (248bhp) 8:32.00 145 '99 252 / 1295 Sport Auto
183. Porsche Cayenne Turbo (Mk II) 8:33.99 144 '08 500 / 2260 Patrick Simon
184. Vauxhall VX220 Turbo 8:34.00 144 '03 200 / 930 "Sport Auto"
185. Opel Speedster Turbo 8:34.00 144 0 200 / 928 Sportauto
186. BMW Z3 3.0i 8:34.00 144 '00 231 / 1330 Sport Auto
187. BMW M3 (E36) 8:35.00 144 '96 321 / 1474 Sport Auto
188. Ford Focus ST 8:35.00 144 '05 225 / 1392 Patrick Bernhard
189. Opel Astra OPC '05 8:35.00 144 '05 241 / 1318 Manuel Reuter
190. Mini John Cooper Works 8:35.00 144 '08 211 / 1130 Sport Auto
191. Porsche 987 Boxster S (291bhp) 8:35.70 144 '06 295 / 1355 Auto Zeitung Superca
192. Porsche 986 Boxster (225bhp) 8:36.00 144 '02 228 / 1275 Sport Auto
193. Alpina B3 3.3 Limousine 8:36.00 144 '99 280 / 1495 sportauto
194. Subaru Impreza GT Turbo 8:37.00 143 '98 218 / 1230 Sport Auto
195. Maserati 3200 GT 8:37.00 143 '98 370 / 1590 Sport Auto
196. Mercedes C 32 AMG 8:37.00 143 '01 354 / 1535 Sport Auto
197. VW Golf Mk IV R32 8:37.00 143 '02 241 / 1452 Sport Auto
198. Honda NSX 3.2 8:38.00 143 '97 280 / 1388 Sportauto
199. Renault Megane Sport Trophy 8:38.00 143 '05 224 / 1371 Sportauto
200. Mercedes SL 500 8:38.00 143 '98 306 / 1795 Sport Auto
Mar 5, 2011 | 09:55 AM
#39
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Posts: 15,199
From: MidEast
Really?
I thought it ran all 20,600 m...
Nürburgring lap times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Then again it is wikipedia
*Nordschleife lap records - FastestLaps.com
I thought it ran all 20,600 m...
Nürburgring lap times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Then again it is wikipedia
*Nordschleife lap records - FastestLaps.com
Last edited by GrayTT; Mar 5, 2011 at 10:03 AM. Reason: * added another link
Mar 5, 2011 | 12:54 PM
#40
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FWIW Porsche is just as guilty of using "ringers" as is Nissan. All manufacturers do it. There are so many variables that can add or subtract several seconds from a 20.6 km course that meaningful interpretation of a couple seconds is simply impossible and within the margin of error.
I've owned some of the models in that top 200 list, and I'd be happy to own just about any of them. IMO seeing an automaker and its customers get bent out of shape because a "lesser" vehicle outperforms their flagship of yesteryear provides a good laugh at the expense of the petty whiners. IMO this thread has also outlived it's useful life.
I've owned some of the models in that top 200 list, and I'd be happy to own just about any of them. IMO seeing an automaker and its customers get bent out of shape because a "lesser" vehicle outperforms their flagship of yesteryear provides a good laugh at the expense of the petty whiners. IMO this thread has also outlived it's useful life.