Originally Posted by streetrod454

Dieter, could you please explain where I am out of line?


As for each manufacturer cribbing details off each other, I don’t think so. The head honcho’s of each of these companies are all original free thinkers; they very much follow their own paths. In fact neither Pagani nor koenigsegg like to hear the other companies name used in their presence.

And guys can we please get off the whole Blue lacquer thing, I have been using the same technique with candie paints for the last 30 years, it’s nothing new. Ask anyone in the custom paint field and they will tell you the same thing

Originally Posted by gt225

I like reading opinions from people who have actually driven the cars, however when it comes to driving impressions, sometimes it seems like subjectivity remains a pretty big factor no matter what.

Since Streetrod has openly admitted being partial to Pagani before, I felt the need to quote other people with firsthand experience. Here are for instance some driving impressions from an owner on this forum, which make me question the integrity of the Nordschleife (evo mag) comparison that took place 4+ years ago as well as Streetrod’s impartiality.
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According to people close to Koenigsegg the settings were screwed up by Black Falcon (they deleted some of the settings they thought were not fair and tried to set up the car themselves).
According to Streetrod the car was in standard trim.

After reading/watching/listening to both sides, I’m siding with Koenigsegg on this one.
Let’s just quote a few contradictions:

“Challenging at the limit, you’re always fighting, working against you, feels heavy” vs “awe inspiring, agile yet solid, confidence inspiring, precise and direct steering”

“brakes go long after a lap” vs “brakes are great and didn’t fade after a few sessions”

“ride quality marginal at best” vs “ride is connected and stiff but not jarring”

“very little low-down torque, always waiting, extremely spiky power delivery” vs “the twin superchargers provide instant power delivery with no waiting for the catapult effect of spool”

Concerning that last quote, I have to agree with the peaky power delivery since I know what the ccx/ccxr’s torque curve looks like, but very little low-end torque? That’s a bit of a stretch in my opinion.
I mean there’s still enough torque at 3000-3500 revs for this to happen with a ~920hp (Koenigsegg dyno graph number, after ccxr upgrade it showed ~1030hp, the video showing the graphs in question was taken off shortly after being posted so I guess they wanted to keep it private) ccxf.

Koenigsegg CCXF vs Bugatti (full) - YouTube


If the powerband was as spiky and frustrating as some say, at that speed and those revs, shouldn’t the Veyron pull away effortlessly in the beginning?

Back to the subject: I'm pretty sure we'll be hearing more about the Agera R in the near future, apparently Drive went back to Sweden not long ago.

Originally Posted by dieter.manero

My bad Streetrod, after reading the post fromt he beginning, I should be direct that comment to the "The Artist" I tried to edit my initial post but no luck. My apologizes.

Originally Posted by streetrod454

To follow on from my comments earlier in this thread, A CCX, very similar to the white car I tried which I high highlighted earlier has just sold for £251K including fees at the RM auction in London today. This car only had 1700miles on the clock and was a 2008 model. The first owner would have taken a massive hit in depreciation of over £650k.

As I said before they are a bit of a money pit when compared to Zonda's

Originally Posted by The Artist

That is not a surprise since its a inferior product