I hate to throw a log on to the fire. Rockstar makes veiled points as does Skytech. As for Streetrod, your out of line.

But We all pointing fingers and all but what about Bugatti, Someone mentioned earlier that Pagani were the first in weaving titanium in with the carbon, I thought Bugatti has been doing that all along. And has Bugatti "copied" Pagani when they came out with one of their special ediotion that had a blue Lacquer.

All these designers are all in the league of their own, while Pagani maybe be the leader in aerodynamics, Bugatti in Power, Koenigsegg I have to say in Style. You can not deny that the Agera, and previous models are a work of art, hell the Door design along is genius.

But all designers, even myself have taken ques from other works of art. ie, the way the door opens on a Mclaren F1 is relatively the same as the Ferrari Enzo. And the Huarya is well I hate to say it a lot like the SLS. so whos coping who Every car designed and produced have ques from each other and that why they are so great as individuals. It's called evolution.

 

Thats what ive been saying all along..everyone takes cues ( inspiration) from each other.

I just feel that Ksegg has done that more than a few times from pagani.

PS
Bugatti uses carbonfibre and titanium but separately not weaved into each other..as far as i know.
If im wrong please let me know

 

No s*** Sherlock.... And i tought Pagani was copying Spyker. I'm sorry, inspired by.

 

^Man im sorry but are you stupid or slow? you only have 2 choices

Ive said what i said in the last post from the start.
You've been arguing with me with no damn facts for nearly 8 pages.
And now you come and tell me no s*** Sherlock?

One must wonder if you can comprehend the english language properly.

 

What facts? That the R in the Koenigsegg is the same in the Zonda? To come in here and say that specially Koenigsegg copies Pagani styling or whatever and not look at Pagani themselfs and say what they've copied from others. Thats having two measures for the same situation. You would be a man, if you came in here and say, each time that Pagani releases something, that they copied this from here, that from there, etc, etc.... You need to get some of that titanium screws that Pagani copied from bugatti in your head asap cuz there are some missing def!!

 

^ Man i give up.. you are stuck in your own world.

I told you that everyone takes inspiration, ksegg more so from pagani than pagani from ksegg.
I also told you that pagani took inspiration from spyker, i also said that even though everyone takes inspiration i find Ksegg as one of the most original in the business. Nothing seems to calm you down

You are determined to remain butt hurt.. ile leave you in that state. You seem to enjoy it

Ciao!

 

lol I have a feeling the battle will not be won, we all have a views and we are in some strange way right. Let call it a draw and get back to the matter at had and thats how awesome the R really is.

 

I like reading opinions from people who have actually driven the cars, however when it comes to driving impressions, sometimes it seems like subjectivity remains a pretty big factor no matter what.

Since Streetrod has openly admitted being partial to Pagani before, I felt the need to quote other people with firsthand experience. Here are for instance some driving impressions from an owner on this forum, which make me question the integrity of the Nordschleife (evo mag) comparison that took place 4+ years ago as well as Streetrod’s impartiality.
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According to people close to Koenigsegg the settings were screwed up by Black Falcon (they deleted some of the settings they thought were not fair and tried to set up the car themselves).
According to Streetrod the car was in standard trim.

After reading/watching/listening to both sides, I’m siding with Koenigsegg on this one.
Let’s just quote a few contradictions:

“Challenging at the limit, you’re always fighting, working against you, feels heavy” vs “awe inspiring, agile yet solid, confidence inspiring, precise and direct steering”

“brakes go long after a lap” vs “brakes are great and didn’t fade after a few sessions”

“ride quality marginal at best” vs “ride is connected and stiff but not jarring”

“very little low-down torque, always waiting, extremely spiky power delivery” vs “the twin superchargers provide instant power delivery with no waiting for the catapult effect of spool”

Concerning that last quote, I have to agree with the peaky power delivery since I know what the ccx/ccxr’s torque curve looks like, but very little low-end torque? That’s a bit of a stretch in my opinion.
I mean there’s still enough torque at 3000-3500 revs for this to happen with a ~920hp (Koenigsegg dyno graph number, after ccxr upgrade it showed ~1030hp, the video showing the graphs in question was taken off shortly after being posted so I guess they wanted to keep it private) ccxf.



If the powerband was as spiky and frustrating as some say, at that speed and those revs, shouldn’t the Veyron pull away effortlessly in the beginning?

Back to the subject: I'm pretty sure we'll be hearing more about the Agera R in the near future, apparently Drive went back to Sweden not long ago.

 

Yes I am happy to admit that I am a Zonda fan, still not 100% on the Huayra by the way. But let me make this absolutely clear, I also have the greatest respect for Koenigsegg as well. My issues have always been with things I personally thought they could have done better.

As I said earlier I was lucky enough to experience both the 2008 Zonda and the 2008 CCX side by side and I pointed out the issues I had in the earlier post. If you don’t believe me feel free to speak to Romans the dealer, they have had more experience of these cars than most.

Re that video, I don’t think it shows the whole picture. In a normal drag race a Veyron will kill almost anything off the line because of its sheer torque, power and traction. By going for a rolling start traction is taking out of the equation and it allows the CCX to drop into its power band for the start.

I stand by my comments about the CCX's power delivery, it is very peaky. But I understand that the completely new engine in the Agera has completely different power characteristics with a lot more bottom end torque so making it much easier to drive

 

Dieter, could you please explain where I am out of line?


As for each manufacturer cribbing details off each other, I don’t think so. The head honcho’s of each of these companies are all original free thinkers; they very much follow their own paths. In fact neither Pagani nor koenigsegg like to hear the other companies name used in their presence.

And guys can we please get off the whole Blue lacquer thing, I have been using the same technique with candie paints for the last 30 years, it’s nothing new. Ask anyone in the custom paint field and they will tell you the same thing