No i do understand the economics with outsourcing various aspects of production although i think it is admirable that Koenigsegg constructs the interior in house.

 

I am not actually sure if they have an upholstery shop in house, I think the same goes for their Ali work. But I am happy to be corrected

 

I was under the impression that they did.

Does anyone around here know?

 

Also not sure, but good question. Never tought of that even. I will try to find out. But they must have some supplier because they dont produce/treat leather.

 

Tommy is only repeating what all actual Zegg owners says about the car and deals with both brands so to bring his objectivity into question is out of line, no matter how cautiously submitted. Most of them (the owners) also own either a Pagani, Bugatti or both so tend to have a excellent frame of reference.

The only negative I've heard are from you and a couple of others. And what you have in common is you own neither?


And Tom73 at PH got it spot on. Since then a owner has died in a Pagani and Pagani have made a valiant attempt to convince their customers that this new car will come apart as intended when crashed. There are still question marks as to why they didn't do this with Zonda and I'm not able to judge if these changes they've made in the Huayra are real or pure PR. Tom said something about "non tensile fracture zones" and Pagani says the Huayra is fitted with bolts that will break in a crash. Maybe it's two ways of describing the same thing?

What he said about the aerodynamics in the diffuser and front splitter is for all I know also correct and you don't have to be a high level engineer to know it. This pimply faced engineering student explains it.



And after the thread on PH Pagani was quick to offer a front splitter as part of a race package, which seems to suggest that customers have caught on?

Pagani Huayra Gets New Front Splitter


So yes, Tommy Wareham's description...

"I have always looked at the two cars in the following way, undoubtably both cars are stunning and beautifully designed/engineered however I attribute (probably due to its Italian nature) the Pagani as the ultimate in design and the Koenigsegg as the most beautifully engineered car around. I remember the test driver for both Koenigsegg, Pagani (and Bugatti) spending about a half hour talking excitedly to me about one tiny part of the suspensions setup in the rear of the Koenigsegg CCX."

does objectively seem to hold water and is repeated both by owners and guys that have a bit of meat on their engineering bones. Jethro's reviews on both cars carried the same sentiment. It doesn't take anything away from either brand, it just points out the differences between them. With Pagani you get a piece of beautiful art and with Koenigsegg you get a piece of extreme engineering. They both do what the other brand does quite well, but they are leaders in their respective areas and it's what gives each car it's unique character. Characters most of us love and appreciate for what they are.

And there you go again. Google translated:

Christian von Koenigsegg himself is not sure if the car actually sold and has the following comment:

"When we are in september heard that this car was for sale so we sent the seller an email and asked what he wanted for the car, then we have customers interested in this model., We never heard from the seller and now he has apparently chosen to auctioning the car instead. A very stupid choice, as we were willing to pay significantly more than what he seems to have for the car. Tex we sold recently a used 2009 CCXR for � 790,000 exc. same car and model year, as the one auctioned, in good condition and upgraded by the factory, we can get between 600,000 to 700,000 Euros. otherwise we will keep right on buying a 2005 CCR for almost 500,000 euros. Koenigsegg customers do not grow on trees and will not get more of these customers be while at the same auction, so will the price accordingly. It was also found when a Pagani Zonda R was sold by the same auction house. It went to 50% during concurrent new price. Clueless and dull."

Is there any difference when a Zonda R is selling at well below market value at RM? In one word: NO. But you choose to focus on the negatives. It's obvious that you do. If you think it's not you are deluding yourself. There's a saying that goes "love is the thin line between passion and madness" and you are definitely passionate for Pagani. Koenigsegg? Maybe a little more mad.

Have Pagani done a better job at this than Koenigsegg? YES, undoubtedly. But again like Tommy pointed out "just because it is not one of the rare modern vehicles which appreciate in value it does not make it a bad buy financially." These are not the words of a lopsided demagogue but a rational man making a fair and balanced assessment. You are the one in love streetrod, and you are walking a thin line.

 

Some really great posts on this thread! never tought this thread would make some serious people with knowledge show up and clear things up. Thank you for this post elhimiel

 

Just the fact that ksegg goes out and addresses issues on auctions and forum topics, while pagani keep it professional and work in the dark.. Tells me a lot about their different approaches.
I like the pagani approach.

And the dude that died in the zonda was not wearing a seatbelt.. People die in all kinds of cars.. There is no such thing as a fool proof car.

And a lot of what's said by the factories can be taken with a bowl of salt.. Cause everything they say is to make their own product look superior or atleast on par with the competition.
Anything else would be retarded business wise.

I tend to trust the independant tests and market values more.

Even though even those could be compromised by biased publications and boosted price.

I stand firm that the agera falls short on several accounts compared to a huayra.

 

Mr. Pagani barely understands how to use email, i hardly think he would even be able to address forum posts. Not a criticism, he and Christian just have entirely different approaches.

 

Hahha to understand the concept of emailing should be within mr paganis reach don't you think ? . Btw Im sure they have pr and sales people. I actually know the global sales manager.
They just decide not to engage in such matters.

It's more to my taste. Shows more class.

But hey it's nice to hear from the creator ( Christian) even if it doesn't hold any weight as its totally biased.

 

Oh i think he totally understands the concept but just doesn't care much for the internet. As many have said he is fairly "old school" in his approach.