Why does porsche have so many 911's??
#61
I agree, and you could do that in the '80s. The only configuration you couldn't get was a narrowbody 930. But, everything else was available in wide or narrow, coupe, targa or cab, Carrera or Turbo. Of course, there was no AWD back then. You could spec out a Carrera with turbo-look and get the slantnose from Sonderwunsche, which could EASILY exceed the base Turbo Cabriolet price. Porsche was a lot happier to personalize than they are now. These days, unless your dealer is a heavy-hitter, your last name's gotta be Piech or Seinfeld to order up a truly unique car. Just opening up the checkbook won't get it done anymore, which kind of sucks, but that's what happens when the bean-counters are running the entire show.
#62
Yeah that's no fun. I have a strong suspicion I'll be buying "cheap" cars and doing them they way I want from here on out (E30 M3, S2000, RS4, etc.). No joke - I could have each one of those three, modded or restored, and be under the price of a new 911.
#63
Agree, then price it low, and ditch the Panamera/Cayenne. If you want a Porsche SUV/Sedan, buy an Audi.
#64
I agree, and you could do that in the '80s. The only configuration you couldn't get was a narrowbody 930. But, everything else was available in wide or narrow, coupe, targa or cab, Carrera or Turbo. Of course, there was no AWD back then. You could spec out a Carrera with turbo-look and get the slantnose from Sonderwunsche, which could EASILY exceed the base Turbo Cabriolet price. Porsche was a lot happier to personalize than they are now. These days, unless your dealer is a heavy-hitter, your last name's gotta be Piech or Seinfeld to order up a truly unique car. Just opening up the checkbook won't get it done anymore, which kind of sucks, but that's what happens when the bean-counters are running the entire show.
#67
I wish there were only a couple of 911 models. I would love to get one in the future but havent got a clue what to get? and by the time I plan to get one they'll probably have 100 different 911s. I'm a track guy so naturally I can imagine my convo with the salesman will be something like this:
me: I heard the gt3 is the car to go for if you like track days?
salesguy: Oh yes its Porsche's answer for the purist who enjoys pure driving.
me: Hmm... what about the gt3 rs then?
salesguy: Thats even more pure! Even more track based!
me: So does that mean its better than a gt2 on the track?
salesguy: Well the GT2 is our ultimate fast car !
me: so what about the GT2 RS?
salesguy: Thats even more ultimate! Thats even better!
you see what I mean? porsche have so many models of 911s they dont know what to do with them. Don't get me wrong, porsches are incredible machines and I have great respect and admiration for them, but there are just too many!!
I know the die hard porsche fans won't agree with me, just my opinion. All the best.
me: I heard the gt3 is the car to go for if you like track days?
salesguy: Oh yes its Porsche's answer for the purist who enjoys pure driving.
me: Hmm... what about the gt3 rs then?
salesguy: Thats even more pure! Even more track based!
me: So does that mean its better than a gt2 on the track?
salesguy: Well the GT2 is our ultimate fast car !
me: so what about the GT2 RS?
salesguy: Thats even more ultimate! Thats even better!
you see what I mean? porsche have so many models of 911s they dont know what to do with them. Don't get me wrong, porsches are incredible machines and I have great respect and admiration for them, but there are just too many!!
I know the die hard porsche fans won't agree with me, just my opinion. All the best.
Simply wrong. No. Your imaginary conversation is totally bullshit. Any one of us here on TS are capable professional Porsche sales staff and managers who understand the nuances and capabilities of the Carrera line and are more than able to pair the client with the correct car for their needs and more importantly ability.
Questions like "what cars have you owned", "have you been active with PCA track DE", "have you done any driving schools", "are you planning to attend DE's or will this be primairly a street car", "are you the primary driver, will anyone else have the keys", are what a professional would ask. Not anything that ends in a ! as you clearly assumed a career Porsche "salesman" would do.
The simple difference is if you put a skilled track driver in a GT2, RS or not, they are more than likely going to be over their head quickly. That version of the Carrera demands a skillset that VERY few have achieved. Fitting a client to the correct car is not, and I quote you, " Thats even more ultimate! Thats even better!"
You state that you are a track guy, I appreciate that. When you do decide to look at a Carrera please feel free to check with your local dealer. If he is the moron you assume he will be feel free to contact myself, Stoppie, Eric or any of the career professionals on TS to guide you to the most suitable variant of the Carrera line. With some time and conversation I am certain you will be directed to the appropriate vehicle.
Last edited by Brobbins016; May 27, 2010 at 01:00 PM.
#68
#69
I've started 3 responses to this post and none of them came across polite
Well except Stoppie. He tried to sell me a 10 year old C Class Sedan when I wanted my CGT. I went elsewhere
Simply wrong. No. Your imaginary conversation is totally bullshit. Any one of us here on TS are capable professional Porsche sales staff and managers who understand the nuances and capabilities of the Carrera line and are more than able to pair the client with the correct car for their needs and more importantly ability.
Questions like "what cars have you owned", "have you been active with PCA track DE", "have you done any driving schools", "are you planning to attend DE's or will this be primairly a street car", "are you the primary driver, will anyone else have the keys", are what a professional would ask. Not anything that ends in a ! as you clearly assumed a career Porsche "salesman" would do.
The simple difference is if you put a skilled track driver in a GT2, RS or not, they are more than likely going to be over their head quickly. That version of the Carrera demands a skillset that VERY few have achieved. Fitting a client to the correct car is not, and I quote you, " Thats even more ultimate! Thats even better!"
You state that you are a track guy, I appreciate that. When you do decide to look at a Carrera please feel free to check with your local dealer. If he is the moron you assume he will be feel free to contact myself, Stoppie, Eric or any of the career professionals on TS to guide you to the most suitable variant of the Carrera line. With some time and conversation I am certain you will be directed to the appropriate vehicle.
Questions like "what cars have you owned", "have you been active with PCA track DE", "have you done any driving schools", "are you planning to attend DE's or will this be primairly a street car", "are you the primary driver, will anyone else have the keys", are what a professional would ask. Not anything that ends in a ! as you clearly assumed a career Porsche "salesman" would do.
The simple difference is if you put a skilled track driver in a GT2, RS or not, they are more than likely going to be over their head quickly. That version of the Carrera demands a skillset that VERY few have achieved. Fitting a client to the correct car is not, and I quote you, " Thats even more ultimate! Thats even better!"
You state that you are a track guy, I appreciate that. When you do decide to look at a Carrera please feel free to check with your local dealer. If he is the moron you assume he will be feel free to contact myself, Stoppie, Eric or any of the career professionals on TS to guide you to the most suitable variant of the Carrera line. With some time and conversation I am certain you will be directed to the appropriate vehicle.





