Originally Posted by JDM135

Must be nice to a baller...

I think you made a mistake with the ZR1 though.

Originally Posted by JDM135

Must be nice to a baller...

I think you made a mistake with the ZR1 though.

Originally Posted by Chris from Cali

I hate crappy American cars. Unfortunately, most fall into that category. I voted "yes" for the ACR. It's awesome. As is the ZR1/Z06, new Camaro, new Mustang (esp. Boss), and the CTS-V. These are all caveated with "buts" though - the Corvette interior sucks, the Camaro's gauges and steering wheel suck, the Mustang STILL has a live rear axle, and the CTS-V still reeks a little of "old man" as it is still a Cadillac. After the caveats, I'd still own any (all) of those cars - I'd just fix the things that bother me.

On the flip side, I love Porsches (and most German cars), but they are RIDICULOUS when it comes to options and pricing. Love the cars, hate having to spend another $20K on top of an $80K+ sticker to get it "right". I'd venture that the GT-R is the best deal going for the performance/quality title for the dollar...

Originally Posted by BDP

I'd love to see what dodge could do with a $282k street legal Viper (in comparison to the cost for a GT2RS). Can you say all carbon fiber, 2900lb, 800HP NA, sequential type transmission, aluminum frame, etc. etc. It would be unstoppable, assuming they could find a way to get the power to the ground. Maybe some 385 rear tires would assist.

Originally Posted by atomic80

ZR1 vs CGT...I think not.

Originally Posted by h20skier

The zr1 will be around I could find one tomorrow.

Maybe again someday. I think they are cool. The cgt def wasn't a mistake tho. Glad to have swapped those two.

Originally Posted by Kevin358

Man, that would be awesome. I would love to see Dodge, Ford or Chevy make a ~$250k sportscar. The Ford GT is already so amazing at $150k, just imagine what it could have been for $250k.

Originally Posted by Kevin358

I have been in the Z06 and the interior is fine. If you are comparing it to a $250k Ferrari or Porsche of course it isn't as good. That money has to go somewhere right? And it isn't the performance that gets it. If you take a $50,000 cars interior and combine it with a $250,000 cars performance you end up with the $100k ZR1. Makes sense.

Originally Posted by Simba

The Camaro handles like a shopping cart full of bricks tumbling down a hill. The ACR, or even a normal Viper, will beat it up, take its lunch money, and fvck its girlfriend.

Both the FGT and ZR1 are excellent, though, albeit at a considerably higher premium. Stock for stock the ACR will eat them both on a track.

Originally Posted by Simba

Yes. When you're an uninformed individual who takes everything said on Top Gear as gospel.

Originally Posted by Kevin358

The ACR (or Viper in general) is great BECAUSE it is a beast to drive. There are so many options for refined (and often boring) sports cars out there. If everything was the same that would be boring. It stands out as a beast, looks and feel. Not another cookie cutter car. The ACR gives you all that plus the ability to destroy a Porsche on the track. Win Win.


I have been in the Z06 and the interior is fine. If you are comparing it to a $250k Ferrari or Porsche of course it isn't as good. That money has to go somewhere right? And it isn't the performance that gets it. If you take a $50,000 cars interior and combine it with a $250,000 cars performance you end up with the $100k ZR1. Makes sense.
I have never noticed a problem with the Camaro's gauges, and I have driven it often. But I do hate the steering wheel.
I completely disagree with the CTS-V and "old man". I would agree on older models, but not the new CTS-V.
The GTR has a good performance to price ratio, but the fun is going to highly lack. Might as well save money and buy Gran Tourismo. Not to mention production GTRs are much slower than the test cars.

Originally Posted by Chris from Cali

Fine? Really? Take a good look at that Delco radio. Check out those seats? Do I need to post the ZO6 roof coming video again? If I owned a ZO6, I would put in new seats, have the interior reupholstered in leather/alcantara, and change the radio, steering wheel, and shifter. It's a cool car, but it just needs to quit going cheap. ZR1 has no excuse - GM should've spent the extra $1K per car and done it right. The CTS-V interior is light-years better.



You don't mind that the Camaro's gauges are so deeply buried for the sake of "old school" looks? They should just make it a functional gauge cluster rather than trying to completely copy the '60s Camaro.



I think my quote (or at least my intent) was that it retained a "whiff" of old man because it's still a Cadillac. That said, I think it's probably one of the best American cars sold.



I don't know about any of those points. I've driven a GT-R a couple times now and it's plenty of fun as well as being plenty fast. If the GT-R offered a manual transmission (bonus point to the US cars), I'd probably buy one.


Back on topic - If I had to buy one American car today, the Viper ACR would be right at the top...

Originally Posted by cstroked

Camaros handle almost as bad as Chargers which handle worse than 8k lbs 1 ton truck. An SS does not even deserved to be mentioned in a discussion about FGT/ACR. Not to mention the god awful visibility in the Camaros. Can't say whether or not they get the "shake rattle and rolls" that almost every Government Motors product develops after 5 years, but I wouldn't be surprised. The newer generation Vipers are supposedly more forgiving on the track. And unlike Corvettes, they have real seats.