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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tractorcrusher
I understand the risk of Americans losing jobs... but when companies put out cars like the PT Cruiser, HHR, and the Aztek how can they claim to be doing their best to protect their employees?

If I saw the company I worked for producing nothing but turds I would have jumped off that sinking ship years ago.

Government money doesn't solve the apparent problem of decades of completely ignorant decision making.

The failures of American companies have nobody to blame but themselves. We have a large population of lazy and unmotivated people who would rather assemble ugly part after ugly part to produce an ugly byproduct than actually show initiative to correct what is wrong and do good for themselves.

I myself have been part of a company that went bankrupt a few years ago, and there were a lot of lessons learned as a result. When you're on a sinking ship you don't try and band aid the product and draw out the death. You close the doors, pay your debts, and draw up a plan to do it better the next time.

You get knocked down and you learn from it. Government intervention has done nothing but prolong the much-needed reorganization and restructuring of modern industry. We are all paying and will be paying a lot of money to protect the "now" and f*ck up the "later" as a result.
You make some valid points, but American jobs is what it came down to. Yeah the Domestics have some crappy cars, but so do the Germans, looks at Mercedes and all their electrical issues and Toyota set a record this past year for recalls. The Domestics surely had their dark periods, but as of late at least GM and Ford have been putting out many good cars. They have won JD Power awards, magazine comparos, have great warranties, better service and the design and quality has skyrocketed. To many people who complain haven't driven let alone owned a newer Domestic car. I currently own a Domestic and Asian car. I have had zero issues with the American and more then a few with the "premium" Asian car. I'm just glad to see improvement and competition!
 
Old Jan 9, 2010 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SINISTR
You make some valid points, but American jobs is what it came down to.
In my experience sometimes you need to sit back and let nature take it's course... What happened after the great depression? People without jobs stopped waiting for hand outs and started creating and innovating. Those inventions eventually sprouted into technologies that we have today.

If you burn down a forest it regrows with richer soil.
 
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Originally Posted by SINISTR
Yup, your surely a car salesman.
Captain obvious I presume?

And you're surely the 'domestic cars are fine' kool-aid sipper. Next?
 
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So

Our future of Domestic Automobiles hangs in the balance of the likes of these?


Ouch.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 02:00 PM
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Captain obvious I presume?

And you're surely the 'domestic cars are fine' kool-aid sipper. Next?
Guess you don't read or you'd know my daily driver is an Asian car and I have owned three P cars....

Go sell some of those awesome looking "Pannys" Mr. salesman.
 
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Our future of Domestic Automobiles hangs in the balance of the likes of these?


Ouch.
Malibu is a great car, much more car for the money and better looking then the Camry and Accord. Has won quite a few awards....

Escalade, while I am not a fan, was a huge seller for GM.
 
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Originally Posted by SINISTR
Guess you don't read or you'd know my daily driver is an Asian car and I have owned three P cars....

Go sell some of those awesome looking "Pannys" Mr. salesman.
You could stop being antagonistic, that would be swell. Don't poke someone and not expect a poke back.
 
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You could stop being antagonistic, that would be swell. Don't poke someone and not expect a poke back.
And I wonder why nobody likes car salesmen....

Have a nice day, I'm done wasting my time with you.
 
Old Jan 9, 2010 | 02:06 PM
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You can't really compare the quality of the Panamera to the CTS-V. Same goes for the 911 to the CTS-V Coupe. Porsche was never a target for the CTS-V from the get-go, in terms or quality or performance. On the other hand, Bob Lutz aimed the CTS-V squarely at the BMW M5 and M6 in terms of performance. Again, one could argue the overall quality of the CTS-V compared to the European rivals but in the end, you get what you pay for. I think GM has done a fantastic job in extracting this kind of performance out of a heavy sedan/coupe, especially considering a limited budget for such a small target audience and in their current financial situation.

You can't really argue that the CTS-V is a great car for the money, both in terms of performance AND quality, but it's not for everyone. That's really all there is to it.
 
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Originally Posted by SINISTR
Malibu is a great car.
Malibu is also ugly as sin.. so is Accord, and and well Camry isn't much better. I'd drive a Civic before any of these crap mobiles..
 



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