This is the New McLaren P1 Supercar
#691
02-19-2013, 07:20 PM
When I spoke with Frank Stephenson and Marcus at the premiere of the P1, they told me they are 2 years away on the P13car. Wonder if there will be any changes for P13 still happening. When the 12C was introduced the dates Frank told me on the P1 was spot on.
Last edited by Senna1994; 02-19-2013 at 07:21 PM.
#692
02-19-2013, 09:19 PM
The P13 has definitely, the toughest competitor in the automotive world, the 911 is the most complete car that has ever been in my opinion, especially the 991. The P13 should be something extra special to beat the 911.
#693
02-19-2013, 10:47 PM
Frank Stephenson on the McLaren P1 ultimate road car | Design Talks
design talks managed to catch up with Frank Stephenson and pick his brain on the P1. In the interview, he also shares about some of the stranger requests he's had from some of his clients.
Interestingly, he also said they'll only be building around 1500 P13s (a year) when that kicks off, which would make it more exclusive than the 911.
ADW
design talks managed to catch up with Frank Stephenson and pick his brain on the P1. In the interview, he also shares about some of the stranger requests he's had from some of his clients.
Interestingly, he also said they'll only be building around 1500 P13s (a year) when that kicks off, which would make it more exclusive than the 911.
ADW
#694
02-20-2013, 12:15 AM
I believe that's an accurate date, given that McLaren are releasing a new model or variant every year. The refreshed 12C should go on sale in 2014 (late 2013 reveal) and hopefully, we should see the P13 in 2014 while production starts in 2015.
The P13 has definitely, the toughest competitor in the automotive world, the 911 is the most complete car that has ever been in my opinion, especially the 991. The P13 should be something extra special to beat the 911.
The P13 has definitely, the toughest competitor in the automotive world, the 911 is the most complete car that has ever been in my opinion, especially the 991. The P13 should be something extra special to beat the 911.
Regarding the 991, I cannot imagine the P13 going after anything but the 991 Turbo for the price, as someone who owns a 991, if I had to sell all my cars and just keep one, it would be the 991.
#695
02-20-2013, 02:11 AM
Another small but interesting pic from the Dubai P1 launch.
Courtesy of Arabian Business: McLaren eyes bumper Gulf sales of P1 hypercar - Cars - ArabianBusiness.com
Oddly enough, clicking on the Photos tab in the article leads you to a gallery of shots from the 2013 Qatar Motor Show
- with no further McLaren content yielded even after flipping through all 21 images 
, so probably best not to waste your time with that.
ADW
Courtesy of Arabian Business: McLaren eyes bumper Gulf sales of P1 hypercar - Cars - ArabianBusiness.com
Oddly enough, clicking on the Photos tab in the article leads you to a gallery of shots from the 2013 Qatar Motor Show
- with no further McLaren content yielded even after flipping through all 21 images , so probably best not to waste your time with that.ADW
#696
02-20-2013, 02:29 AM
Well, it seems a bit early Mark for a face lift or refreshed 12C considering the updates the MY 2013 Car just received and it was only introduced in 2011. I think you might be a bit off on this.
Regarding the 991, I cannot imagine the P13 going after anything but the 991 Turbo for the price, as someone who owns a 991, if I had to sell all my cars and just keep one, it would be the 991.
Regarding the 991, I cannot imagine the P13 going after anything but the 991 Turbo for the price, as someone who owns a 991, if I had to sell all my cars and just keep one, it would be the 991.
Then this would make the 12C slower than the P13
For the P13 to make sense, IMO it should go after the Base model 911 (Carrera S) and get around 400-450HP.
#697
02-20-2013, 02:33 AM
Yes, it probably would have been best not to waste our time with that. 
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Last edited by Peloton25; 02-20-2013 at 02:35 AM.
#699
02-20-2013, 03:33 AM
Just one, courtesy of free Automobile FR - McLaren P1 : une vido indite - Vidos - Automobile sur Free.fr
Pretty cool effect with the image of the MTC in the background, with the roofline forming a mirror image of the McLaren Speed Marque shape.
ADW
#700
02-20-2013, 04:03 AM
Latest release of info from McLaren includes power figures:
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THE McLAREN P1 ADOPTS TWIN POWER TO DELIVER PHENOMENAL TORQUE, INSTANTLY
Feb 20, 2013
IPAS (Instant Power Assist System) and DRS (Drag Reduction System) offer instant boost of power and straight-line speed
916PS (903 bhp) and 900Nm, with emissions of less than 200g/km
Substantially revised 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine coupled to low-weight, highly efficient electric motor ensures instant torque for optimised throttle response
Full E-mode offers in excess of 10km emission-free driving
The McLaren P1 will have the combined force of two highly-efficient powerplants, offering the optimum mix of superb throttle response, day-to-day drivability and top speed. A mid-mounted 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine and a highly effective electric motor give a combined output of 916PS (903 bhp) and a maximum torque figure of 900Nm, ensuring instantaneous throttle response through the rev range, more akin to a naturally aspirated engine. Emissions of less than 200g/km on the combined cycle are reduced to zero in full electric drive mode, while the Formula 1-derived DRS and IPAS technologies offer an increase in straight-line speed and an instant boost of power.
The 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine in the McLaren P1 is a new version of the familiar M838T unit, that has been significantly upgraded to optimise cooling and durability under the higher loads. The engine block has a unique casting to incorporate the electric motor. The petrol engine produces 737PS (727 bhp) at 7,500rpm, and 720Nm of torque from 4,000rpm. To optimise efficiency of the petrol engine, extensive testing and development work has always been carried out with McLaren Automotive technology partner Mobil 1 on lubrication and hydraulic fluids.
The lightweight electric motor, developed by the McLaren Electronics arm of the Group, produces 179PS (176 bhp), and is unique to the McLaren P1. The motor produces maximum torque of 260Nm instantly from a standstill, greatly increasing the throttle response of the McLaren P1, and peak combined torque of 900Nm is delivered from just 4,000 rpm. In addition to this, the McLaren-developed boost system, IPAS, provides up to 179PS instantly. The instant response of the electric motor provides a sharper throttle response more associated with a normally aspirated engine, and the significantly enhanced air-charging system enables the McLaren P1 to have more top-end power the perfect combination for high performance.
The electric motor is mounted directly onto the engine, and all drive is channelled through the dual-clutch seven-speed gearbox to drive the rear wheels. Thus, the electric motor and 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine work seamlessly together, providing more than just added ultimate power and torque.
A further benefit is that the e-motor can provide faster upshifts. This is achieved through the application of instant negative torque at the point of shift, making the engine revs drop as quickly and efficiently as possible to the required engine speed for the upshift.
In addition to the obsessive weight-saving measures demonstrated throughout the McLaren P1, so too is the optimisation of usable energy. When off-throttle the electric motor provides additional drag torque, recovering energy to the battery that would otherwise be lost to the brakes.
E-mode
The McLaren P1can be driven in a variety of modes, powered by the engine and electric motor together, or solely by the electric motor. This ensures versatility and ease of transportation, allows use in low emission zones and residential driving is optimised with near-silent running.
Maximum power comes when using both powerplants together, but even in E-mode the performance is strong. E-mode is the most economical mode available with zero tailpipe emissions. In E-mode, the McLaren P1 can travel more than 10km with electric-only power enough for most city journeys. When the battery is empty, the petrol engine will automatically start to maintain drive and charge the battery.
IPAS and DRS optimise performance and throttle response
The power available via the petrol engine and electric motor is further enhanced on the McLaren P1 through two steering wheel-mounted buttons which activate the DRS (Drag Reduction System) and IPAS (Instant Power Assist System).
The Drag Reduction System used on the McLaren P1 is a technology similar to that employed on Formula 1 cars. Speed is increased by reducing the amount of drag on the rear wing and, where the MP4-28 has a moveable flap on the rear wing, the McLaren P1 has a wing that reduces in angle to lower drag by 23%. The system immediately deactivates when the button is released, or if the driver touches the brake pedal.
IPAS is designed to deliver power rapidly for high performance acceleration, and provides 179PS of instant additional power. In developing the IPAS technology for the McLaren P1, power delivery was prioritised over energy storage. This is achieved through a groundbreaking, lightweight battery pack, which offers greater power density than any other automotive battery pack on sale today.
Battery
The high power density has been achieved through a combination of high power cells, low pack weight and an innovative cooling system. The battery weighs just 96kg, and is mounted onto the underbody of the high-strength Formula 1-grade carbon fibre MonoCage chassis, which seals the unit in the vehicle, thus avoiding the added weight of any unnecessary battery packaging.
Due to the amount of power being supplied by the battery, complex cooling is required to guarantee cell performance and reliability. The coolant flow is balanced so each cell is cooled to the same temperature across the entire pack.
In addition to the battery being charged via the engine, the McLaren P1 is also equipped with a plug-in charger which can recharge the battery, from empty, in only two hours. The plug-in charger can be stored in the luggage compartment, although the customer may choose to store it off-board in a garage or the pits to save weight.
Further details of the McLaren P1 will be released in the coming weeks, before the production-ready car makes its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show next month.
Visit www.mclarenautomotive.com for more details.
Feb 20, 2013
IPAS (Instant Power Assist System) and DRS (Drag Reduction System) offer instant boost of power and straight-line speed
916PS (903 bhp) and 900Nm, with emissions of less than 200g/km
Substantially revised 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine coupled to low-weight, highly efficient electric motor ensures instant torque for optimised throttle response
Full E-mode offers in excess of 10km emission-free driving
The McLaren P1 will have the combined force of two highly-efficient powerplants, offering the optimum mix of superb throttle response, day-to-day drivability and top speed. A mid-mounted 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine and a highly effective electric motor give a combined output of 916PS (903 bhp) and a maximum torque figure of 900Nm, ensuring instantaneous throttle response through the rev range, more akin to a naturally aspirated engine. Emissions of less than 200g/km on the combined cycle are reduced to zero in full electric drive mode, while the Formula 1-derived DRS and IPAS technologies offer an increase in straight-line speed and an instant boost of power.
The 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine in the McLaren P1 is a new version of the familiar M838T unit, that has been significantly upgraded to optimise cooling and durability under the higher loads. The engine block has a unique casting to incorporate the electric motor. The petrol engine produces 737PS (727 bhp) at 7,500rpm, and 720Nm of torque from 4,000rpm. To optimise efficiency of the petrol engine, extensive testing and development work has always been carried out with McLaren Automotive technology partner Mobil 1 on lubrication and hydraulic fluids.
The lightweight electric motor, developed by the McLaren Electronics arm of the Group, produces 179PS (176 bhp), and is unique to the McLaren P1. The motor produces maximum torque of 260Nm instantly from a standstill, greatly increasing the throttle response of the McLaren P1, and peak combined torque of 900Nm is delivered from just 4,000 rpm. In addition to this, the McLaren-developed boost system, IPAS, provides up to 179PS instantly. The instant response of the electric motor provides a sharper throttle response more associated with a normally aspirated engine, and the significantly enhanced air-charging system enables the McLaren P1 to have more top-end power the perfect combination for high performance.
The electric motor is mounted directly onto the engine, and all drive is channelled through the dual-clutch seven-speed gearbox to drive the rear wheels. Thus, the electric motor and 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine work seamlessly together, providing more than just added ultimate power and torque.
A further benefit is that the e-motor can provide faster upshifts. This is achieved through the application of instant negative torque at the point of shift, making the engine revs drop as quickly and efficiently as possible to the required engine speed for the upshift.
In addition to the obsessive weight-saving measures demonstrated throughout the McLaren P1, so too is the optimisation of usable energy. When off-throttle the electric motor provides additional drag torque, recovering energy to the battery that would otherwise be lost to the brakes.
E-mode
The McLaren P1can be driven in a variety of modes, powered by the engine and electric motor together, or solely by the electric motor. This ensures versatility and ease of transportation, allows use in low emission zones and residential driving is optimised with near-silent running.
Maximum power comes when using both powerplants together, but even in E-mode the performance is strong. E-mode is the most economical mode available with zero tailpipe emissions. In E-mode, the McLaren P1 can travel more than 10km with electric-only power enough for most city journeys. When the battery is empty, the petrol engine will automatically start to maintain drive and charge the battery.
IPAS and DRS optimise performance and throttle response
The power available via the petrol engine and electric motor is further enhanced on the McLaren P1 through two steering wheel-mounted buttons which activate the DRS (Drag Reduction System) and IPAS (Instant Power Assist System).
The Drag Reduction System used on the McLaren P1 is a technology similar to that employed on Formula 1 cars. Speed is increased by reducing the amount of drag on the rear wing and, where the MP4-28 has a moveable flap on the rear wing, the McLaren P1 has a wing that reduces in angle to lower drag by 23%. The system immediately deactivates when the button is released, or if the driver touches the brake pedal.
IPAS is designed to deliver power rapidly for high performance acceleration, and provides 179PS of instant additional power. In developing the IPAS technology for the McLaren P1, power delivery was prioritised over energy storage. This is achieved through a groundbreaking, lightweight battery pack, which offers greater power density than any other automotive battery pack on sale today.
Battery
The high power density has been achieved through a combination of high power cells, low pack weight and an innovative cooling system. The battery weighs just 96kg, and is mounted onto the underbody of the high-strength Formula 1-grade carbon fibre MonoCage chassis, which seals the unit in the vehicle, thus avoiding the added weight of any unnecessary battery packaging.
Due to the amount of power being supplied by the battery, complex cooling is required to guarantee cell performance and reliability. The coolant flow is balanced so each cell is cooled to the same temperature across the entire pack.
In addition to the battery being charged via the engine, the McLaren P1 is also equipped with a plug-in charger which can recharge the battery, from empty, in only two hours. The plug-in charger can be stored in the luggage compartment, although the customer may choose to store it off-board in a garage or the pits to save weight.
Further details of the McLaren P1 will be released in the coming weeks, before the production-ready car makes its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show next month.
Visit www.mclarenautomotive.com for more details.
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Last edited by Peloton25; 02-20-2013 at 04:17 AM.