The Official TS Workout & Nutrition Thread
Mar 21, 2012 | 07:36 PM
#1871
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From: Bellevue WA
This is my experience as well. I mentioned in another thread a quick weight cutting experiment with my own body I did with an eye towards MMA fighters. A lot of wrestlers, fighters, etc... will use extremely low calorie diets and it's actually counterproductive IMO. They lose muscle, dehydrate and then come in flat for the competition.
I was in the 1200+/day range with some carbs timed around 2/day workouts. I was in a work condo with no weights, no cardio machines (except my adidas) measuring tools (not even BF calipers, just an electronic scale) and I'd love to repeat the experiment with proper supervision and tracking.
I think a lot of the "it's impossible to...." talk comes from the bodybuuilding world (and filtered down bro-science style to regular gym rats) where they're trying extreme bulking, 30+ lbs. I think that if you manage to gain lean mass and lose fat the rate of gain will be far too slow for a bodybuilder hence they say it's impossible.
I was in the 1200+/day range with some carbs timed around 2/day workouts. I was in a work condo with no weights, no cardio machines (except my adidas) measuring tools (not even BF calipers, just an electronic scale) and I'd love to repeat the experiment with proper supervision and tracking.
I think a lot of the "it's impossible to...." talk comes from the bodybuuilding world (and filtered down bro-science style to regular gym rats) where they're trying extreme bulking, 30+ lbs. I think that if you manage to gain lean mass and lose fat the rate of gain will be far too slow for a bodybuilder hence they say it's impossible.
It's possible. I have the measuring device and the patient data to prove it.
That said, losing body fat and gaining lean body mass requires adequate intake of good food and protein as well as micronutrient. Starvation diets and VLCDs (Very Low Calorie Diets; WHO definition <800Cal/d or my favored definition <50% or RMR daily) don't give enough substrate to allow lean mass gains. In fact, even the "protein sparing" VLCDs result in a fat:lean mass loss of roughly 3:1 by weight.
That said, losing body fat and gaining lean body mass requires adequate intake of good food and protein as well as micronutrient. Starvation diets and VLCDs (Very Low Calorie Diets; WHO definition <800Cal/d or my favored definition <50% or RMR daily) don't give enough substrate to allow lean mass gains. In fact, even the "protein sparing" VLCDs result in a fat:lean mass loss of roughly 3:1 by weight.
Mar 21, 2012 | 07:55 PM
#1872
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From: New Jersey
I think a lot of the "it's impossible to...." talk comes from the bodybuuilding world (and filtered down bro-science style to regular gym rats) where they're trying extreme bulking, 30+ lbs. I think that if you manage to gain lean mass and lose fat the rate of gain will be far too slow for a bodybuilder hence they say it's impossible.
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Mar 21, 2012 | 08:11 PM
#1873
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From: Munich,Germany
I think a lot of the "it's impossible to...." talk comes from the bodybuuilding world (and filtered down bro-science style to regular gym rats) where they're trying extreme bulking, 30+ lbs. I think that if you manage to gain lean mass and lose fat the rate of gain will be far too slow for a bodybuilder hence they say it's impossible.
I don`t advocate that bulking crap in any way..
If you weigh in at 270 and go up to 300 off season..ok..
but other than that it`s not necessary to bulk up like a pig to put on solid muscle.
It`s a very slow process...and consistency,discipline,knowledge and patience is the key.
Mar 21, 2012 | 08:18 PM
#1874
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From: Bellevue WA
if you`re shooting at me...
I don`t advocate that bulking crap in any way..
If you weigh in at 270 and go up to 300 off season..ok..
but other than that it`s not necessary to bulk up like a pig to put on solid muscle.
It`s a very slow process...and consistency,discipline,knowledge and patience is the key.
I don`t advocate that bulking crap in any way..
If you weigh in at 270 and go up to 300 off season..ok..
but other than that it`s not necessary to bulk up like a pig to put on solid muscle.
It`s a very slow process...and consistency,discipline,knowledge and patience is the key.
I will say that a high calorie, high protein bulk is effective though. I was up 9 lbs as of last week. I'm not eating buckets of fried chicken though. Just a lot of chicken, steak, brown rice, protein shakes and so on.
Mar 22, 2012 | 05:29 AM
#1875
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From: Where the Grass is Greener
Thanks for all the cool posts. Guess i should watch what i say huh? LOL
FUN IDEA for this thread:
Time yourself doing 100 pushups and then 100 situps --- all in a row without a break (if possible) and post your time. Note that the pushups should be 'good' ones as you are only cheating yourself LOL....and the situps should be the kind where you touch your toes (legs out straight) then touch the ground behind/above your head after each rep.
For reference - the last time i did this (few weeks ago after a 6 mile run) i got my 100 pushups in just under 7 minutes (6:50) and then the situps in around 5 minutes (5:10).
FUN IDEA for this thread:
Time yourself doing 100 pushups and then 100 situps --- all in a row without a break (if possible) and post your time. Note that the pushups should be 'good' ones as you are only cheating yourself LOL....and the situps should be the kind where you touch your toes (legs out straight) then touch the ground behind/above your head after each rep.
For reference - the last time i did this (few weeks ago after a 6 mile run) i got my 100 pushups in just under 7 minutes (6:50) and then the situps in around 5 minutes (5:10).
Mar 22, 2012 | 05:53 AM
#1876
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Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,272
From: Sweden
Thanks for all the cool posts. Guess i should watch what i say huh? LOL
FUN IDEA for this thread:
Time yourself doing 100 pushups and then 100 situps --- all in a row without a break (if possible) and post your time. Note that the pushups should be 'good' ones as you are only cheating yourself LOL....and the situps should be the kind where you touch your toes (legs out straight) then touch the ground behind/above your head after each rep.
For reference - the last time i did this (few weeks ago after a 6 mile run) i got my 100 pushups in just under 7 minutes (6:50) and then the situps in around 5 minutes (5:10).
FUN IDEA for this thread:
Time yourself doing 100 pushups and then 100 situps --- all in a row without a break (if possible) and post your time. Note that the pushups should be 'good' ones as you are only cheating yourself LOL....and the situps should be the kind where you touch your toes (legs out straight) then touch the ground behind/above your head after each rep.
For reference - the last time i did this (few weeks ago after a 6 mile run) i got my 100 pushups in just under 7 minutes (6:50) and then the situps in around 5 minutes (5:10).
Mar 22, 2012 | 09:56 AM
#1877
Thor Liked My Watch
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From: New Jersey
and then Jason is going to upload a video to facebook where he does 4 real push-ups and 96 fake push ups and then show us 4 pictures of himself jumping up in the air on some mountain
Mar 22, 2012 | 10:38 AM
#1878
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From: Where the Grass is Greener
