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Old Feb 16, 2014 | 11:51 AM
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Every new platform will have issues. The spontaneous combustion issue is on a limited vin range related to an oil cooler bracket. The cam sensor and thermostat were also issues. In all three cases, they are QC issues to externals of the block. So tell me how these three items make the Mezger so much better?

I'm certainly not mocking the 964 block, I have two cars with them that are flawless. I just see a lot of ranting about how poor the 9A1 motor is, when so far, the issues that have come up, have nothing to do with the block itself.
Correct and when you do something like this your are bound to have a few pains to perfection... that redline sound is intoxicating...
 
Old Feb 16, 2014 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nikolas
Every new platform will have issues. The spontaneous combustion issue is on a limited vin range related to an oil cooler bracket. The cam sensor and thermostat were also issues. In all three cases, they are QC issues to externals of the block. So tell me how these three items make the Mezger so much better?

I'm certainly not mocking the 964 block, I have two cars with them that are flawless. I just see a lot of ranting about how poor the 9A1 motor is, when so far, the issues that have come up, have nothing to do with the block itself.
It's not about the block... A block doesn't make an engine go, it's an overall package.

It has far more to do with the engineering and more importantly the parameters or objectives given to the engineers... For far longer than most, Porsche stuck to the old style of thinking, over engineering and making it last. They went so far as to prove the point by running a road car in a 24hr enduro for race cars just 3 years ago...

The new engine can only be as good as the objectives placed for it's build. If the objectives have focused more around cost cutting and less around trackworthiness and reliability through over engineering, well it's not going to fare as well in the long term.

One can overlook sensor failures and thermostats, they are supplier issues but when you have brackets or fixings failing and cars combusting, that's engineering failing... That's not a good sign when these are suppose to be the cars most inclined to see track use and therefore more extreme use. I'll be thinking long and hard before adding to my garage as much as I'd love to if this is the best we can expect moving forward...
 
Old Feb 17, 2014 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 911rox
It's not about the block... A block doesn't make an engine go, it's an overall package.

It has far more to do with the engineering and more importantly the parameters or objectives given to the engineers... For far longer than most, Porsche stuck to the old style of thinking, over engineering and making it last. They went so far as to prove the point by running a road car in a 24hr enduro for race cars just 3 years ago...

The new engine can only be as good as the objectives placed for it's build. If the objectives have focused more around cost cutting and less around trackworthiness and reliability through over engineering, well it's not going to fare as well in the long term.

One can overlook sensor failures and thermostats, they are supplier issues but when you have brackets or fixings failing and cars combusting, that's engineering failing... That's not a good sign when these are suppose to be the cars most inclined to see track use and therefore more extreme use. I'll be thinking long and hard before adding to my garage as much as I'd love to if this is the best we can expect moving forward...
Read the thread! If it's not about the block what's all this talk about the previous generation being so much better? BTW, the bracket and bolt on question is a supplier issue, not a part made by Porsche.

With your logic the Mezger GT1 motor sucks because the CL fails and your wheel comes off. Now that is an engineering issue.
 
Old Feb 17, 2014 | 01:29 PM
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Pardon me, but I am tired of hearing about bolts, brackets and intake parts made by another vendor. We just got through recalls on our 997.2 RSs and now this. I can't help but think these cars are not being thoroughly tested before public availability. I love my 5 Porsches, but this kind of thing will certainly begin to tarnish Porsche's quality reputation.
Remember the engine failures of the 2002 996? I had one of those, too. The entire engine had to be replaced.
 
Old Feb 17, 2014 | 01:32 PM
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True. I don't think anyone here is gonna say no biggie that their car burned because it was a supplier to Porsche and not Porsche. That's about as stupid as blaming a gun for the killing. (Before you want to start that debate, post another thread)
 
Old Feb 17, 2014 | 02:15 PM
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not an engine problem but members may remember the quality issues I had with my 4.0.....14 snags!! and I wasn't being picky, the uk only saw 26 4.0 and I know 2 other people who had similar issues, so much for the man with the white gloves who checks everything. I have a 991rs on order for next spring and if these engine problems are still looming I will consider going ahead or not, there trying to do to much in my opion with vw leaning on them......im dealing with Lamborghini, 2000 cars a year,small volumes and good customer service, that's what you want. guys who buy gt3 models know there stuff and Porsche needs to look after such a strong model within there brand !! ''even the letters on the new ceramics fall off when you wash them'' personal bug bear of mine,maybe not so important to others!!!
 
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LOL. Like maybe a year. Glad to see some people getting fired up about this deal though.
 
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if we don't give them some stick mr cole they can't do nothing about it!
 
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Understood.
 
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Originally Posted by goldencrust
if we don't give them some stick mr cole they can't do nothing about it!
couldnt agree more goldencrust..you are correct, the 4.0 also had a few issues - nevertheless, it is still unacceptable whats happening now.

If I was in your situation: either Porsche writes you a personal letter and apoliges for their misbehaviour (fixing the GT3 is a must anyway) or you will use your stick = immediate cancel of the order.

I suspected a few things already in the past..had a few insider infos --I posted already my discontent with certain Porsche issues here..but this thing here is on another leveland is/was beyond my imageanition..
 

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