My "design flaw" point was that "if" Porsche had the technology for PSM at the time of the CGT design (Noone seems to know if they did or didn't ?) then it should have been fitted to the CGT - the "design flaw" was omitting it.

Porsche fitted TC so they tried to give the driver some help but (probably because it wasn't signed off) missed out on the PSM which would have really made the CGT a better car IMO

It is fine all red blooded "heros" puffing their chests out inferring their percieved drving prowess and how they can all drive within the limits of the car - If they wanted to do that with the CGT then turn the bloody PCM and TC off , that is what I sometimes do on the GT2 but unless one is really "in the mood" it is far safer, certainly faster progress and ultimately more fun to have the those subtle Porsche safety nets......

Using the F40 as a comparable is not really valid, completely different era of technology and expectation, funnily enough it was Porsche's reaction to the F40 AKA 959 which really started moving the game on on this technology.

 

no.....even if they did have all the technology at that time,they might have left it out for a reason
the CGT is a puristic car and should feel like one
many like it if the car is very rewarding and commanding a lot of respect from the driver

So do you think the Gumpert Apollo has a design flaw as well?
Or the Viper?

I`m sure there are a lot more crashes with Vipers but nobody talks about it because they are more common and less expensive,hence not as attention grabbing if something happens

 

So why did they put the TC (Traction control) on it, if it being "puristic" was the main intention then leave it to the LSD.......
Er.... hello, there is a little button you can press for it to become 100% what you desire...
They do not have the PSM system which Porsche have, if they had the technology they would fit it yes (with the off switch ) it is a complete no brainer..... PSM cost a lot to develope and the way they have it honed for the rest of the GT range is just perfect....

Again, they don't have this level of PSM/TC integrated technology...... Have you driven a 7GT2/3 with these systems and compared with a CGT ?

 

It's all down to personal preference and choice. You'd rather have PSM on the CGT, but for others, myself included we're not bothered.

If I was using the car regularly in cold/damp unpleasant conditions then maybe the PSM would be advantageous. But then personally I'd rather use something more mundane in these conditions and use the CGT when the weather is better.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

 

Are you seriously telling me that if you had that button on the CGT you would drive all the time with if off

It should have been on there but they only managed to get the TC working right in time = design flaw

 

Not what I said at all.

Suspect we will end up going round in circles on this one TB.

It's all down to choice at the end of the day, those that can't live with the CGT due to the lack of sophisticated stability managment systems have a myriad of other options.

Those that can stick with the CGT.

 

John, I think WE have done this to death ! - I was just trying to wind the other guy up

Those who have never properly experienced in daily, all situation use the PSM/TC system on a 7GT car can only really clutch at straws saying how the CGT does not need this system, it does and it would have got it if it were signed off back then - evidence enough is that the CGT got the TC - case closed

 

I think (final words on this one!) that you've made a valid point. In daily, all situation/all weather/all condition use the PSM/TC would be useful.

But that's hardly the sort of application the CGT is likely to be used for! (With the exception you were mad enough to attempt it!).

 

Of course you are right, although your pics of ahem.... power oversteering your CGT on the track brings me back goosebumps

Thing is, the way that the PSM/TC allows a 650hp GT2 to be driven in all weathers really does rewrite the rule books, truly incredible and it is only when you switch the thing off that reality dawns on how dangerous it is without these devices. I really would not go back to say a 996GT2 or RWD high torque 993tt after experiencing the fun that can be had with - I mean RWD, mega steering response and being able to plant your foot whatever the weather - awesome fun

 

After having a go in a CGT I cannot fathom what a Mirage GT is like.