Official: Ferrari La Ferrari
Mar 6, 2013 | 09:47 AM
#152
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Rockstar its not often I agree with you but on this occasion I do.
The problem I have with the Ferrari is that as a design it does not move the game on. If this was a concept produced by an automotive design student I suspect the reaction from even the biggest Ferrari fans would be luke warm. This design could have come from ten years ago.
The McLaren on the other hand seems not to have any historical reference to anything apart from a few design clues from the F1. It’s fresh and so so different. And I know this sounds odd but it just looks plain clever in its execution.
From what we now know the Ferrari seems to have the Mac beat purely based on the numbers. But I suspect this could be overturned once lap times become evident. What do I base this assumption on you may well ask? Well what it all comes down to is one figure in the McLaren press pack, and that is that the P1 will be able to generate 2G in the corners on street tyres. That is an amazing figure for a street car. And as we all know its speed in the corners that ultimately leads to great lap times.
If Ferrari can match this I will be very impressed. I can’t wait to see independently verified lap times in the near future
The problem I have with the Ferrari is that as a design it does not move the game on. If this was a concept produced by an automotive design student I suspect the reaction from even the biggest Ferrari fans would be luke warm. This design could have come from ten years ago.
The McLaren on the other hand seems not to have any historical reference to anything apart from a few design clues from the F1. It’s fresh and so so different. And I know this sounds odd but it just looks plain clever in its execution.
From what we now know the Ferrari seems to have the Mac beat purely based on the numbers. But I suspect this could be overturned once lap times become evident. What do I base this assumption on you may well ask? Well what it all comes down to is one figure in the McLaren press pack, and that is that the P1 will be able to generate 2G in the corners on street tyres. That is an amazing figure for a street car. And as we all know its speed in the corners that ultimately leads to great lap times.
If Ferrari can match this I will be very impressed. I can’t wait to see independently verified lap times in the near future
) is a great evolution of the Enzo's design. Whereas the Macca is a revolution in design in that it really looks nothing like their other cars - of course, they have less cars to look like I suppose, but the point remains.
Mar 6, 2013 | 10:02 AM
#153
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So basically you guys are saying Porsche has not moved forward for the last 100 years?
Maybe the looks aren't dramatic enough but to say the car itself has not moved the company forward is ridiculous.
Good design isn't about pretty flowers, it's about elegant function w/o compromise and the TheFerrari destroys everything else, look at the stats, it's definitely revolutionary.
As for attention to aesthetic detail, Pagani has both McLaren and Ferrari on its knees. I could spend a lifetime just basking in a pagani interior & staring at the shift knob...it's that mind blowing.
Maybe the looks aren't dramatic enough but to say the car itself has not moved the company forward is ridiculous.
Good design isn't about pretty flowers, it's about elegant function w/o compromise and the TheFerrari destroys everything else, look at the stats, it's definitely revolutionary.
As for attention to aesthetic detail, Pagani has both McLaren and Ferrari on its knees. I could spend a lifetime just basking in a pagani interior & staring at the shift knob...it's that mind blowing.
Mar 6, 2013 | 10:12 AM
#154
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So basically you guys are saying Porsche has not moved forward for the last 100 years?
Maybe the looks aren't dramatic enough but to say the car itself has not moved the company forward is ridiculous.
Good design isn't about pretty flowers, it's about elegant function w/o compromise and the TheFerrari destroys everything else, look at the stats, it's definitely revolutionary.
As for attention to aesthetic detail, Pagani has both McLaren and Ferrari on its knees. I could spend a lifetime just basking in a pagani interior & staring at the shift knob...it's that mind blowing.
Maybe the looks aren't dramatic enough but to say the car itself has not moved the company forward is ridiculous.
Good design isn't about pretty flowers, it's about elegant function w/o compromise and the TheFerrari destroys everything else, look at the stats, it's definitely revolutionary.
As for attention to aesthetic detail, Pagani has both McLaren and Ferrari on its knees. I could spend a lifetime just basking in a pagani interior & staring at the shift knob...it's that mind blowing.
Mar 6, 2013 | 10:29 AM
#157
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So basically you guys are saying Porsche has not moved forward for the last 100 years?
Maybe the looks aren't dramatic enough but to say the car itself has not moved the company forward is ridiculous.
Good design isn't about pretty flowers, it's about elegant function w/o compromise and the TheFerrari destroys everything else, look at the stats, it's definitely revolutionary.
As for attention to aesthetic detail, Pagani has both McLaren and Ferrari on its knees. I could spend a lifetime just basking in a pagani interior & staring at the shift knob...it's that mind blowing.
Maybe the looks aren't dramatic enough but to say the car itself has not moved the company forward is ridiculous.
Good design isn't about pretty flowers, it's about elegant function w/o compromise and the TheFerrari destroys everything else, look at the stats, it's definitely revolutionary.
As for attention to aesthetic detail, Pagani has both McLaren and Ferrari on its knees. I could spend a lifetime just basking in a pagani interior & staring at the shift knob...it's that mind blowing.
Thing is, the 911 has always looked pretty good. And the Murcielago looked good. The Enzo was pretty ugly frankly. An amazing car, but not very pleasant on the eyes. And actually, I've though similar things about the F1. It was not a great looking car to me. It's one of my favorite cars, but it looked cool not beautiful. Which is why I prefer the revolutionary jump from the F1 as opposed to the evolutionary jump from the Enzo.
I would agree with you on Pagani, at least interior-wise. That is one fine cockpit on the Huayra/Zonda.
Mar 6, 2013 | 11:48 AM
#158
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I just want to point out that the Enzo had almost zero similarities with the other models Ferrari produced at that time. It was completely fresh and, yes, revolutionary.
The LaFerrari is derivative, it has too many familiar design elements - and it's even worse when you consider we won't see a successor for +10 years.
I wonder if it had all-new headlights, for instance, if my reaction would be different.
The LaFerrari is derivative, it has too many familiar design elements - and it's even worse when you consider we won't see a successor for +10 years.
I wonder if it had all-new headlights, for instance, if my reaction would be different.
Mar 6, 2013 | 12:00 PM
#159
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^i rather have those elements that look good on the car..
Rather than sharing the carbon fibre tub and engine with a lesser model as the P1 does.
On a second thought is the V12 in the Lafer the same engine to begin with as the F12?
Even if it is its still shared with the top car of the ferrari ordinary line up..
And not the starting model..
Imagine Ferrari using the V8 from the 458 in the Lafer.. im sure many would be very upset!
Rather than sharing the carbon fibre tub and engine with a lesser model as the P1 does.
On a second thought is the V12 in the Lafer the same engine to begin with as the F12?
Even if it is its still shared with the top car of the ferrari ordinary line up..
And not the starting model..
Imagine Ferrari using the V8 from the 458 in the Lafer.. im sure many would be very upset!
Mar 6, 2013 | 12:02 PM
#160
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Completly agree. The impressive downforce McLaren claims might be the advantage. But even still i think the active aero on the LaFerrari will make it equal. And the 15s to 300 is just rocketship territory! I mean, with 963hp thats amazing! The Venom GT is lighter much much more powerfull and its not far away. It only reveals that the active will help alot with grip everywhere on the track.
Now looking at the Ferrari in terms of active aero surface area it seems to be lacking behind the P1. But for all we know this could be made up by a more down force inducing general body shape. But to my eyes the P1 looks more aerodynamic, but I could be wrong of course.
The claimed advantage the Ferrari has over the P1 in the 0-300kph drag race will be of no real significance on the track, track speed will come from the exit speed out of corners and who can brake quicker, and this will be determined by down force.