So long Carrera GTS!
Apr 30, 2012 | 05:57 AM
#41
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 469
Not sure what you meant here, but my research has pointed to the 997s as a very reliable series in 911 history. The other big winners were the 911SC of the late '70s and early '80s and the Carrera 3.2 of the mid-to-late '80s. All other series have had serious issues (rust, air injection, cambelt tensioners, etc. etc.). I'm not saying 997s are perfect - there are still IMS/RMS issues to contend with (though I never saw them in my 997s).
That said, I'd love to add a 964 RS America, a 993 Turbo, a '73-74 911 2.4, and an RS/RSR/IROC clone based on a Carrera 3.2 at some point.
That said, I'd love to add a 964 RS America, a 993 Turbo, a '73-74 911 2.4, and an RS/RSR/IROC clone based on a Carrera 3.2 at some point.
Fully agree - the only real issue the 997 has is RMS. However, this does not mechanically destroy the engine...it looses some oil..but OK. No big deal. Repair is not so expensive.
In fact, the water cooled 911s are easier, and cheaper to fix than the air cooled ones. As much as I am fan of the air cooled ones - the enigines from the water cooled ones are cheaper to fix and also less complex - they have by far less parts (the exception here is the GT3 engine). However, overhauling them (996 and 997 engines) is not so common..but even there are people who are specialised in this too now. The engine of the 991 wont be the problem in 10 years..Im sure about that - although some people are saying that the DFI engines will have less life span than the classic injection ones. But its too early to say this.
Coming back to the 997, its easier to fix a 997 than it is to fix an 928 S4 from the 80s. The 997 doesnt have so much electronics..PASM - well - no big deal - some people make it "dead"..otherwise the PSM isnt such a big deal either..it has been there in the 996 for years without any problems..
The issue with the 991 will be PTV, e-steering so on..but lets see..a bon stock 991 without any additional gizmos might still be driving in 30 years..but lets see
PS: my golden rule of future car values is very simple: the more electronics a car has -the more value it will loose - I know Im provocant..but hey - tell me one car that has "the most" of gizmos and still holds value good..it cant be 7 series or somthing similar..thats clear..
Even my childhood dream 959 is a victim of my theory..;(
Apr 30, 2012 | 05:42 PM
#43
Watch this space.
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 12,211
Chris,
Do you think it's possible that the technology would have become less expensive to work on in 4 years or so when your warranty is up? For example, I remember when the iPhone first came out and some of the people that dropped their phones had to shell out for new ones out of contract at $400+ a pop, then came iPhone screen replacements and easier methods of fixing them. Don't you see this as a possibility later on?
Do you think it's possible that the technology would have become less expensive to work on in 4 years or so when your warranty is up? For example, I remember when the iPhone first came out and some of the people that dropped their phones had to shell out for new ones out of contract at $400+ a pop, then came iPhone screen replacements and easier methods of fixing them. Don't you see this as a possibility later on?
Apr 30, 2012 | 05:48 PM
#44
I need pos rep like Hulkamania NOW!
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,348
From: Madison Wisconsin
Clearly his dealer is an idiot.
Last edited by Brobbins016; Apr 30, 2012 at 05:52 PM.
Apr 30, 2012 | 09:12 PM
#48
Neg Rep Zen Master
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,573
From: Up Yours!
It's not crazy. You can't wait until they end production on the 997 and then expect to order a car. The 991 C4S will be out next year, so of course production is done. Go try to order an M3 sedan - oh, no luck! Same shit... If you really want a C4 GTS, there are plenty in dealer stock.
