Dealer sold me salvaged turbo no disclosure
Sep 22, 2009 | 01:04 AM
#22
Teamspeed's Mr. Spock
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There have been plenty of time when carfax returned nothing while equifax returned frame damage when I was searching for an E39 M5 and an S4 Avant as our baby hauler.
In the end, the only thing that gets dealer's attention is a paint meter. The meter doesn't lie, scumbag dealers do, and did, to me.
In the end, the only thing that gets dealer's attention is a paint meter. The meter doesn't lie, scumbag dealers do, and did, to me.
Sep 22, 2009 | 01:12 AM
#23
Teamspeed's Mr. Spock
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From: Los Angeles
Actually, you would.
Most shops can't replicate factory thickness. Before I got involved with bodyshop business, I got burned.
There's a list of all different factory thickness range that you can use as a guide, and even the high end shops I have been to can't come close.
I don't just check for uniformity, I check for thickness too.
Here's an interesting article about paint:
ae-plus.com - Automotive Engineer on the web - Materials
Seams are getting difficult nowadays because cars usually cover them. The E46 M3 for example.
Most shops can't replicate factory thickness. Before I got involved with bodyshop business, I got burned.
There's a list of all different factory thickness range that you can use as a guide, and even the high end shops I have been to can't come close.
I don't just check for uniformity, I check for thickness too.
Here's an interesting article about paint:
ae-plus.com - Automotive Engineer on the web - Materials
Seams are getting difficult nowadays because cars usually cover them. The E46 M3 for example.
Sep 22, 2009 | 01:13 AM
#24
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salvaged turbo
this dealer told me all about the "scratch on the fender at time of delivery" that just drove the owner mad. Let me tell you I spoke to the body shop that rebuilt the entire car 12 years ago and the guy almost had a heart attack when he heard what I paid for it. I thought I was going to have to call an Dr for him. The car was not even rebuilt with new parts but USED PARTS for GOD sake !
Sep 22, 2009 | 01:27 AM
#25
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I'm 99% sure I know who you bought this car from, and yes he is a complete scumbag. Unfortunately since he is known for doing things like selling four cars welded together poorly as a Perfect 993 Turbo S with 9 miles and that la de da....he's probably pretty covered in the legal department, sorry for your loss and good luck with the battle
I recently purchased a 1996, 993 Turbo with 2670 miles. I have driven the car less than 100 miles since it was delivered to me within the past few weeks. The car was advertised as follows,
“This turbo has only been driven 2670 miles in the past 13 years ! It was special ordered in “paint to match “ Polar Silver with FULL black leather interior, sunroof, and “werks” center console. The first owner kept the car for three years driving it a little over 800 miles a year. He only drove it for pleasure, never in bad weather, always kept it garaged, and had all the scheduled service performed. Because of its great condition and exceptionally low miles the second owner purchased the car for his private collection with the intention of keeping the car just as it was and not adding any more miles. It has only been driven 500 miles in the past year and is in NEW condition.”
I thought I found the perfect 993 TT I had been looking for. Unfortunately I found out 6 days ago that the car was involved in a bad accident in Virginia in 1998, was given a salvaged title, declared a total loss by the insurance company, and sold off to somebody else at the appropriate price considering the condition. I am not going to mention the name of the dealer here as there will be pending legal action against him, but it is a high-end dealer that routinely deals in exotics and classics.
I have spent the past 6 days confirming the salvaged history with the Virginia DMV as well as the body shop that repaired the car over 10 years ago and speaking with multiple people that were familiar with the history of the car. I provided all this information along with 18 detailed photos showing all the signs that the car was not original to the selling dealer. My expectations and my request to the dealer was to return my funds, purchase price, shipping, and tax in return for his car back. The dealer has continued to refuse and has only pretended to tell me about “light accident history” before I bought the car. Considering I paid 2x the price of what a salvaged car would be worth and considering his ad above, I don’t think it takes Sherlock Holmes to figure out he is lying and concealed from me any damage other than a “scratch” he claimed was on the fender at the time of delivery and repaired by Porsche before the first owner would accept it.
The car changed hands 1 time before this dealer bought it and because of some DMV issues ended up with a clean title before this dealer acquired it. I don’t want to debate here or make my case if the dealer was disclosed the salvage history because I want to save some issues for court, however the fact that the carfax shows it, the car if looked at shows it (and he claims to be an expert on Porsches) and he is now pretending to tell me about some accident history all has some clear implications that he is 100% full of sh&t.
Only sticking to the facts above I would love to hear some feedback from some fellow enthusiasts as well as anybody with a legal background how everybody thinks this will play out in court. Thanks for your feedback in advance and everybody should take the time to use carfax in the future, I wish I had.
(And yes a “werks” center console when translated from Scumbag to English means a phone kit where the owner removed the phone over time)
“This turbo has only been driven 2670 miles in the past 13 years ! It was special ordered in “paint to match “ Polar Silver with FULL black leather interior, sunroof, and “werks” center console. The first owner kept the car for three years driving it a little over 800 miles a year. He only drove it for pleasure, never in bad weather, always kept it garaged, and had all the scheduled service performed. Because of its great condition and exceptionally low miles the second owner purchased the car for his private collection with the intention of keeping the car just as it was and not adding any more miles. It has only been driven 500 miles in the past year and is in NEW condition.”
I thought I found the perfect 993 TT I had been looking for. Unfortunately I found out 6 days ago that the car was involved in a bad accident in Virginia in 1998, was given a salvaged title, declared a total loss by the insurance company, and sold off to somebody else at the appropriate price considering the condition. I am not going to mention the name of the dealer here as there will be pending legal action against him, but it is a high-end dealer that routinely deals in exotics and classics.
I have spent the past 6 days confirming the salvaged history with the Virginia DMV as well as the body shop that repaired the car over 10 years ago and speaking with multiple people that were familiar with the history of the car. I provided all this information along with 18 detailed photos showing all the signs that the car was not original to the selling dealer. My expectations and my request to the dealer was to return my funds, purchase price, shipping, and tax in return for his car back. The dealer has continued to refuse and has only pretended to tell me about “light accident history” before I bought the car. Considering I paid 2x the price of what a salvaged car would be worth and considering his ad above, I don’t think it takes Sherlock Holmes to figure out he is lying and concealed from me any damage other than a “scratch” he claimed was on the fender at the time of delivery and repaired by Porsche before the first owner would accept it.
The car changed hands 1 time before this dealer bought it and because of some DMV issues ended up with a clean title before this dealer acquired it. I don’t want to debate here or make my case if the dealer was disclosed the salvage history because I want to save some issues for court, however the fact that the carfax shows it, the car if looked at shows it (and he claims to be an expert on Porsches) and he is now pretending to tell me about some accident history all has some clear implications that he is 100% full of sh&t.
Only sticking to the facts above I would love to hear some feedback from some fellow enthusiasts as well as anybody with a legal background how everybody thinks this will play out in court. Thanks for your feedback in advance and everybody should take the time to use carfax in the future, I wish I had.
(And yes a “werks” center console when translated from Scumbag to English means a phone kit where the owner removed the phone over time)
Sep 22, 2009 | 01:35 AM
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Actually, you would.
Most shops can't replicate factory thickness. Before I got involved with bodyshop business, I got burned.
There's a list of all different factory thickness range that you can use as a guide, and even the high end shops I have been to can't come close.
I don't just check for uniformity, I check for thickness too.
Most shops can't replicate factory thickness. Before I got involved with bodyshop business, I got burned.
There's a list of all different factory thickness range that you can use as a guide, and even the high end shops I have been to can't come close.
I don't just check for uniformity, I check for thickness too.
Sep 22, 2009 | 01:59 AM
#27
Teamspeed's Mr. Spock
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From: Los Angeles
I forgot, are you local? In a few years I do plan on getting my E30 repainted, and I want it done right, complete strip then respray with Glasurit or PPG.
Most shops I know in LA can't come close. You know, a little thicker than the factory on the prime, then the paint, then the clear, and before you know it you got 12+ mils.
