Watch out for this BS Bill in your state!
Jan 27, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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Watch out for this BS Bill in your state!
Some IDIOTS in my state government, in keeping with TeH One's mindset on firearms.
Georgia SB 12
What it would do: Force anybody manufacturing ammunition to encode an itsy bitsy little serial number on the base of the bullet and register ammunition purchases (with your date of birth) in addition to levying a tax on each bullet sold. In less than one year, any ammunition you possess without this tiny code on the base of the bullet would mean one year of jail time for you. Not entirely sure if that is one year for each and every bullet, so how many bullets do you have? How law enforcement is going to enforce compliance with SB 12, since the code is enscribed on the base of the bullet? Maybe officers will carry a bullet puller with them on patrol, pull each bullet from the casing and hand you back your shells with the loose powder and bullets for you to reassemble at home?
There is no exception for home-cast bullets in the bill, and you would need to dispose of all of your current ammunition prior to January of next year. Non-encoded ammunition could not be imported, sold, or manufactured after that date. Have you noticed the price of ammunition lately?
Better keep an eye out guys...
TeH One says he isn't anti-gun, but I am pretty sure I recall some non-sense notion that about taxing ammo...
You all need to find out if your state is up to anything.
Georgia SB 12
What it would do: Force anybody manufacturing ammunition to encode an itsy bitsy little serial number on the base of the bullet and register ammunition purchases (with your date of birth) in addition to levying a tax on each bullet sold. In less than one year, any ammunition you possess without this tiny code on the base of the bullet would mean one year of jail time for you. Not entirely sure if that is one year for each and every bullet, so how many bullets do you have? How law enforcement is going to enforce compliance with SB 12, since the code is enscribed on the base of the bullet? Maybe officers will carry a bullet puller with them on patrol, pull each bullet from the casing and hand you back your shells with the loose powder and bullets for you to reassemble at home?
There is no exception for home-cast bullets in the bill, and you would need to dispose of all of your current ammunition prior to January of next year. Non-encoded ammunition could not be imported, sold, or manufactured after that date. Have you noticed the price of ammunition lately?
Better keep an eye out guys...
TeH One says he isn't anti-gun, but I am pretty sure I recall some non-sense notion that about taxing ammo...
You all need to find out if your state is up to anything.
Jan 28, 2009 | 03:26 AM
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Other bills on the docket
Georgia Carry
January 27, 2009
Dear GCO Member,
The following relevant bills now exist in the General Assembly. More are coming. Please review each of these three bills and help out with the suggested action at the bottom of each entry. The first one, a new bill, is the most urgent today.
(1) HB 182
What it would do: There is a problem in Georgia with finding places legally to shoot and train, because many cities and counties ban the discharge of firearms even on large parcels of land where shooting may be accomplished safely. Under current law, cities and counties have the power to reasonably limit or prohibit the discharge of firearms. While some counties and cities do not regulate shooting at all, there is a disturbing trend toward adopting very restrictive ordinances. HB 182 would remove the currently existing power of local governments to ban the discharge of firearms on parcels of 5 acres and larger. In other words, the city or county could not stop you from safely and reasonably shooting on your own land.
GCO Position: Supports. It is crucial to the right to bear arms that we protect the ability to practice and train.
Author: Rep. Rick Austin (R-10)
Co-Sponsors: Martin Scott (R-2, Rossville), Sean Jerguson (R-22, Holly Springs), Mark Williams (R-178, Jesup), Billy Horne (R-71, Newnan), Jay Roberts (R-154, Ocilla), Mark Hatfield (R-177, Waycross), Bobby Reese (R-98, Sugar Hill)
Status: Dropped in the hopper and assigned a bill number just today. Has not yet had first readers. It is expected that HB 182 will be assigned to the House Judiciary Committee.
GCO Suggested Action: Is your Representative listed as a co-sponsor? If so, please write and thank your Representative for sponsoring this important piece of legislation. If not, please consider whether your State Representative would make a good co-sponsor and ask them to go to the clerk's office and sign on to HB 182 as a co-sponsor. If you are a legislator, please consider co-sponsoring HB 182.
Rep. Rick Austin is a GCO member (and was before he was a Representative), and this is his first year in the General Assembly, so a large number of co-sponsors would help HB 182 even more than usual.
(2) SB 9
What it would do: Currently under Georgia law, a person who puts a revolver in a coat pocket before walking the dog, without utilizing a holster, might, for his first offense, be jailed for a year, even if that person has a firearms license. Try it twice, and the offense becomes a felony with a minimum of two years and a maximum of five years in prison, complete with a lifetime bar on ever possessing a firearm and a loss of the right to vote. This law does not apply to police officers, military, prosecuting attorneys, or part-time city judges, among many other people. As most GCO members are aware, it is also perfectly legal to carry a firearm openly without a holster. SB 9 would remove the requirement to use a holster when carrying concealed.
Author: Sen. John Douglas (R-17)
GCO Position: Supports. There is no reason that the second offense should be a felony when this conduct is perfectly legal for a part time city judge no matter how many times he does it. It should be legal for any Georgian who can bear arms to choose his own method for safely doing so.
Co-Sponsors:
# Rogers,Chip 21st, Goggans,Greg 7th, Murphy,Jack 27th, Hawkins,Lee 49th, Chance,Ronnie 16th
Status: Senate Judiciary Committee. A hearing on SB 9 was cancelled yesterday (the day of the hearing).
GCO Suggested Action: While you might want to inquire of Chairman Smith the reason from pulling this item from the calendar only hours before the scheduled hearing yesterday, GCO suggests that otherwise you sit tight for now. GCO may have further news concerning this bill in the very near future. The author, Sen. Douglas, is a GCO member, and he was GCO's Senator of the Year 2008.
(3) SB 12
What it would do: Force anybody manufacturing ammunition to encode an itsy bitsy little serial number on the base of the bullet and register ammunition purchases (with your date of birth) in addition to levying a tax on each bullet sold. In less than one year, any ammunition you possess without this tiny code on the base of the bullet would mean one year of jail time for you. GCO is not entirely sure if that is one year for each and every bullet, so how many bullets do you have? GCO is also not sure how law enforcement is going to enforce compliance with SB 12, since the code is enscribed on the base of the bullet. Maybe officers will carry a bullet puller with them on patrol, pull each bullet from the casing and hand you back your shells with the loose powder and bullets for you to reassemble at home?
There is no exception for home-cast bullets in the bill, and you would need to dispose of all of your current ammunition prior to January of next year. Non-encoded ammunition could not be imported, sold, or manufactured after that date. Have you noticed the price of ammunition lately?
GCO Position: GCO opposes this uncommonly silly proposal for a law.
Author: Ronald Ramsey Sr (D-43)
Co-Sponsors: None!
Status: Assigned to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
GCO Suggested Action: We say no. This is a line in the sand that they cannot cross. Now what? Please contact the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee with a short, polite email indicating your opposition to SB 12. GCO currently is investigating other ways to oppose this bill outside of efforts in the General Assembly. GCO is confident this bill (and the bills like it introduced in 18 states) is going absolutely nowhere, but we should be vigilant, nonetheless. Ronald Ramsey is not a GCO Member (in case you were wondering).
Notable Quotables
You get two for one today!
Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense?
--Patrick Henry, Source: 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836
[I move] to strike out all after the word 'infringe,' and strike out 'but the General Assembly shall have the power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne,' [as I insist that] 'the Legislature has no power to prescribe how the people shall bear arms; that they shall not carry them in their boots, or anywhere else that they want to. I think the people have the right to keep and bear arms as they choose for their protection.
-- Robert Toombs, Source: Small's Report of the Georgia Constitutional Convention of 1877.
As we all know, Mr. Toombs lost his amendment. Another amendment that was offered but lost was to insert the word "place" after "manner," so "as to give the Legislature the power to prescribe where a man shall carry arms and where not." Since this amendment also lost, remind us again where the General Assembly derives the power to regulate so strictly the "place" of carry in Georgia?
Did you know that in New Hampshire, a northeastern, politically-liberal state: (1) no license is needed to carry openly, (2) concealed carry licenses are available by mail for a tiny fee to Georgians, and (3) the only place off limits is the courthouse? Now that is something to think about.
Georgia Carry : An information clearinghouse for Georgia Firearms License issues and news
Fighting for Your Right to Bear Arms!
###
January 27, 2009
Dear GCO Member,
The following relevant bills now exist in the General Assembly. More are coming. Please review each of these three bills and help out with the suggested action at the bottom of each entry. The first one, a new bill, is the most urgent today.
(1) HB 182
What it would do: There is a problem in Georgia with finding places legally to shoot and train, because many cities and counties ban the discharge of firearms even on large parcels of land where shooting may be accomplished safely. Under current law, cities and counties have the power to reasonably limit or prohibit the discharge of firearms. While some counties and cities do not regulate shooting at all, there is a disturbing trend toward adopting very restrictive ordinances. HB 182 would remove the currently existing power of local governments to ban the discharge of firearms on parcels of 5 acres and larger. In other words, the city or county could not stop you from safely and reasonably shooting on your own land.
GCO Position: Supports. It is crucial to the right to bear arms that we protect the ability to practice and train.
Author: Rep. Rick Austin (R-10)
Co-Sponsors: Martin Scott (R-2, Rossville), Sean Jerguson (R-22, Holly Springs), Mark Williams (R-178, Jesup), Billy Horne (R-71, Newnan), Jay Roberts (R-154, Ocilla), Mark Hatfield (R-177, Waycross), Bobby Reese (R-98, Sugar Hill)
Status: Dropped in the hopper and assigned a bill number just today. Has not yet had first readers. It is expected that HB 182 will be assigned to the House Judiciary Committee.
GCO Suggested Action: Is your Representative listed as a co-sponsor? If so, please write and thank your Representative for sponsoring this important piece of legislation. If not, please consider whether your State Representative would make a good co-sponsor and ask them to go to the clerk's office and sign on to HB 182 as a co-sponsor. If you are a legislator, please consider co-sponsoring HB 182.
Rep. Rick Austin is a GCO member (and was before he was a Representative), and this is his first year in the General Assembly, so a large number of co-sponsors would help HB 182 even more than usual.
(2) SB 9
What it would do: Currently under Georgia law, a person who puts a revolver in a coat pocket before walking the dog, without utilizing a holster, might, for his first offense, be jailed for a year, even if that person has a firearms license. Try it twice, and the offense becomes a felony with a minimum of two years and a maximum of five years in prison, complete with a lifetime bar on ever possessing a firearm and a loss of the right to vote. This law does not apply to police officers, military, prosecuting attorneys, or part-time city judges, among many other people. As most GCO members are aware, it is also perfectly legal to carry a firearm openly without a holster. SB 9 would remove the requirement to use a holster when carrying concealed.
Author: Sen. John Douglas (R-17)
GCO Position: Supports. There is no reason that the second offense should be a felony when this conduct is perfectly legal for a part time city judge no matter how many times he does it. It should be legal for any Georgian who can bear arms to choose his own method for safely doing so.
Co-Sponsors:
# Rogers,Chip 21st, Goggans,Greg 7th, Murphy,Jack 27th, Hawkins,Lee 49th, Chance,Ronnie 16th
Status: Senate Judiciary Committee. A hearing on SB 9 was cancelled yesterday (the day of the hearing).
GCO Suggested Action: While you might want to inquire of Chairman Smith the reason from pulling this item from the calendar only hours before the scheduled hearing yesterday, GCO suggests that otherwise you sit tight for now. GCO may have further news concerning this bill in the very near future. The author, Sen. Douglas, is a GCO member, and he was GCO's Senator of the Year 2008.
(3) SB 12
What it would do: Force anybody manufacturing ammunition to encode an itsy bitsy little serial number on the base of the bullet and register ammunition purchases (with your date of birth) in addition to levying a tax on each bullet sold. In less than one year, any ammunition you possess without this tiny code on the base of the bullet would mean one year of jail time for you. GCO is not entirely sure if that is one year for each and every bullet, so how many bullets do you have? GCO is also not sure how law enforcement is going to enforce compliance with SB 12, since the code is enscribed on the base of the bullet. Maybe officers will carry a bullet puller with them on patrol, pull each bullet from the casing and hand you back your shells with the loose powder and bullets for you to reassemble at home?
There is no exception for home-cast bullets in the bill, and you would need to dispose of all of your current ammunition prior to January of next year. Non-encoded ammunition could not be imported, sold, or manufactured after that date. Have you noticed the price of ammunition lately?
GCO Position: GCO opposes this uncommonly silly proposal for a law.
Author: Ronald Ramsey Sr (D-43)
Co-Sponsors: None!
Status: Assigned to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
GCO Suggested Action: We say no. This is a line in the sand that they cannot cross. Now what? Please contact the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee with a short, polite email indicating your opposition to SB 12. GCO currently is investigating other ways to oppose this bill outside of efforts in the General Assembly. GCO is confident this bill (and the bills like it introduced in 18 states) is going absolutely nowhere, but we should be vigilant, nonetheless. Ronald Ramsey is not a GCO Member (in case you were wondering).
Notable Quotables
You get two for one today!
Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense?
--Patrick Henry, Source: 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836
[I move] to strike out all after the word 'infringe,' and strike out 'but the General Assembly shall have the power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne,' [as I insist that] 'the Legislature has no power to prescribe how the people shall bear arms; that they shall not carry them in their boots, or anywhere else that they want to. I think the people have the right to keep and bear arms as they choose for their protection.
-- Robert Toombs, Source: Small's Report of the Georgia Constitutional Convention of 1877.
As we all know, Mr. Toombs lost his amendment. Another amendment that was offered but lost was to insert the word "place" after "manner," so "as to give the Legislature the power to prescribe where a man shall carry arms and where not." Since this amendment also lost, remind us again where the General Assembly derives the power to regulate so strictly the "place" of carry in Georgia?
Did you know that in New Hampshire, a northeastern, politically-liberal state: (1) no license is needed to carry openly, (2) concealed carry licenses are available by mail for a tiny fee to Georgians, and (3) the only place off limits is the courthouse? Now that is something to think about.
Georgia Carry : An information clearinghouse for Georgia Firearms License issues and news
Fighting for Your Right to Bear Arms!
###
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