First test drive - Rebellion R1k [VIDEO]
Jun 17, 2011 | 10:17 AM
#121
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Just kidding, know what you are saying!
YouTube - ‪Judd V10 sounds‬‏
Jun 17, 2011 | 11:23 AM
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Not sure if this company has been mentioned yet but Ilmor produces some race engines for among others IndyCar, NASCAR and ARCA. They might be able to come up with something cool, could be worth checking out. Ilmor Racing: IndyCar, NASCAR, ARCA and Kart — Ilmor Engineering
The reason why I came to think of them is because they produce a V10 engine for among others Goldfish RIB boats. I saw their V10 725hp engine in a Goldfish 29 RIB with carbon fibre package once and my heart skipped a couple of beats
The reason why I came to think of them is because they produce a V10 engine for among others Goldfish RIB boats. I saw their V10 725hp engine in a Goldfish 29 RIB with carbon fibre package once and my heart skipped a couple of beats
Jun 17, 2011 | 10:25 PM
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YouTube 2011 coyote mustang. These cars sound great, will rev to 8k and the crate motors are not expensive.
The aluminum BBC that Nelson propsed would be great or try a Virginia Speed lsx. They could build you something special,.
Go with a light flywheel and individual throttle bodies.
The flat plane crank lsx is a good idea but I don't think a production crank ever made it to market.
The aluminum BBC that Nelson propsed would be great or try a Virginia Speed lsx. They could build you something special,.
Go with a light flywheel and individual throttle bodies.
The flat plane crank lsx is a good idea but I don't think a production crank ever made it to market.
Jun 17, 2011 | 11:46 PM
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Guys a pushrod V8 is not going to rev up to 9000rpm without solid lifters. Once you get into solid lifters you then get into constant maintenance - adjusting the valve lash every few hundred miles. Pushrod V8's can rev and make big power but they aren't maintenance free.
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If it were up to me I could build something in the comp eliminator range. A few specs, 4.200 bore 2.700 stroke = 300 ci, sb2 heads, would make peak power, about 900 NA hp around 9000rpm. De-tuned for the street use would be a great 750 hp small cube high revving engine.
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Jun 18, 2011 | 01:27 AM
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Thanks Kevin! As I am very new to details of engines like this its great to get all this information!
1. 427 TT. I totally see what you are saying on the race gas. Does it at all matter if I drive mostly in Europe and the octane I would run is mostly 100? I am not to worried about having two tanks with different fuels in them, sure its a hazzle but with enough planning its totally doable, and worth the bragging rights... ;-) (If I understood it correctly that I can run low boost and just keep refueling the pump gas tank?) What is the difference in the ones that produces 2000+ hp. Will they be less reliable or whats the downside of going even more stupid? ;-)
2. SBC. I have had a look at the AS engines and I was actually wondering why they can take 800hp out of a SBC and the option NE gave me was "only" at 650hp. Seems like NE are amazing at what they do, so how come it seems like AS is a better option when it comes to naturally aspired engines? Any thoughts on that one?
3. SBC vs BBC I know that the SBC are smaller and lighter, but if I do decide to go for the 500ci BBC to get the extra hp, whats the downside of going all out and going for the 705 BBC - Fuel Injected with 925 HP with 900 TQ with pump gas? How are they sound wise? will the 705 be much heavier then the 500?
/JON
1. 427 TT. I totally see what you are saying on the race gas. Does it at all matter if I drive mostly in Europe and the octane I would run is mostly 100? I am not to worried about having two tanks with different fuels in them, sure its a hazzle but with enough planning its totally doable, and worth the bragging rights... ;-) (If I understood it correctly that I can run low boost and just keep refueling the pump gas tank?) What is the difference in the ones that produces 2000+ hp. Will they be less reliable or whats the downside of going even more stupid? ;-)
2. SBC. I have had a look at the AS engines and I was actually wondering why they can take 800hp out of a SBC and the option NE gave me was "only" at 650hp. Seems like NE are amazing at what they do, so how come it seems like AS is a better option when it comes to naturally aspired engines? Any thoughts on that one?
3. SBC vs BBC I know that the SBC are smaller and lighter, but if I do decide to go for the 500ci BBC to get the extra hp, whats the downside of going all out and going for the 705 BBC - Fuel Injected with 925 HP with 900 TQ with pump gas? How are they sound wise? will the 705 be much heavier then the 500?
/JON
Since two tanks and race gas isn't a problem then I would go with that.
And you are correct, you can leave it on low boost settings and go everywhere on just pump gas and fill up with that octane and only use race gas when you want to show off.
2. I think NRE's main focus is twin turbo, reliable, streetable engines. They don't do crazy cam timing. I am sure he could build a nasty cammed NA that will make more power. Just ask Tom what he can do.
3. Since a 572ci is about 120lbs heavier I am sure a 702 would increase that even more. That and size.
Here is one of my favorite NRE builds. 388 SBC with 1000hp on pump gas, really nice sound.
YouTube - ‪1000 HP Corvette Street Test from Nelson Racing Engines.‬‏
Here is a TT 454 SBC. 1800hp on race gas and 1300hp on pump gas.
YouTube - ‪1800 HP TT 454 CI LSX SBC from Tom Nelson. Nelson Racing Engines.‬‏
You should ask him if the Revolution is ready yet. 500ci small block, 9000rpm, most likely over 800hp naturally aspirated.
YouTube - ‪New 2500 HP Revolution 4 Cam Small Block Nelson. From NRE.‬‏
Jun 18, 2011 | 01:30 AM
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This may be the way to go. Since you are willing to give up a little in driveability for a bad ass beast, a NRE Warrior SBC would be awesome. I believe it is 1500hp on pump gas and 2500hp on race gas. This could be your ticket.
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/a...441-tt-crw.pdf
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/a...441-tt-crw.pdf
Jun 18, 2011 | 01:34 AM
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I don't know if SSC would sell an engine(the last pushrod), but those made 1287hp on pump gas, and I expect they could make more. They are very reliable, light and efficient. And made from billet Aluminum. Just an idea.
Jun 18, 2011 | 05:19 AM
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You set valve lash every few hundred miles? So you are telling me that cup cars set lash when they pull into the pits? They run 500+ miles at 85-9400 rpm.
If it were up to me I could build something in the comp eliminator range. A few specs, 4.200 bore 2.700 stroke = 300 ci, sb2 heads, would make peak power, about 900 NA hp around 9000rpm. De-tuned for the street use would be a great 750 hp small cube high revving engine.
If it were up to me I could build something in the comp eliminator range. A few specs, 4.200 bore 2.700 stroke = 300 ci, sb2 heads, would make peak power, about 900 NA hp around 9000rpm. De-tuned for the street use would be a great 750 hp small cube high revving engine.