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Old Dec 15, 2010 | 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by IIVVX
simba, you make excellent points and i agree with much of what you have said but that model was simply not sustainable. when ferrari and mclaren are spending over $500 million per season the costs had gotten way out of hand. nobody could compete at that level and the people who could wouldn't be able to for long. that is a ridiculous sum for a single season. manufacturers began pulling out for various reasons but i don't imagine much would be left of F1 if those regs had remained (remember the proposed breakaway series the manufacturers wanted?). the upcoming formula will better suit all the manufacturers involved and may lower costs in the future while attracting new manufacturers (obviously researching and designing a car to meet a new formula engine & chassis wise will not in any way lower costs in the present) so we can only wait and see what impact it will have. i believe the cost cutting measures can only help, the sport was moving towards pricing itself out of existence. remember what happened to DTM when they had budgets rivalling F1? i loved that era too, but it just could not be sustained long term.
So Ferrari or McLaren could buy a pro football team once a season? Ridiculous.
 
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Old Dec 15, 2010 | 07:00 PM
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Thanks for posting that. It really helps explain everything simply.
 
Old Dec 15, 2010 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Murph5000
Remember that the hybrid fly wheel in the Porsche GT3-R Hybrid is basically a slightly altered, borrowed version of the KERS system the BMW-Sauber F1 cars ran. BMW pumped a lot of money into the technology(and similar systems are finding their way to road cars now) and were able to justify the costs at the time KERS was relevant. Now Porsche is moving with these technologies into the hybrid GT3 and possibly the upcoming 918.

Didn't VW/Porsche/Audi hint at a desire to enter F1?
the porsche GT3R system is actually designed by williams hybrid power, a subsidiary of the williams F1 team. the problem with running this type of system in a road car is the heat generated from the flywheel, they are working on that issue.

check this link for more information -> Williams Hybrid Power - WHP Flywheel Technology overview

also, regarding vag group entering F1. they have hinted numerous times of their desire to potentially enter the series but have backed away due to costs, relevance, brand issues, etc. btw, porsche did supply engines under the porsche-tag moniker in the 80's.
 
Old Dec 15, 2010 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by IIVVX
the porsche GT3R system is actually designed by williams hybrid power, a subsidiary of the williams F1 team. the problem with running this type of system in a road car is the heat generated from the flywheel, they are working on that issue.

check this link for more information -> Williams Hybrid Power - WHP Flywheel Technology overview

also, regarding vag group entering F1. they have hinted numerous times of their desire to potentially enter the series but have backed away due to costs, relevance, brand issues, etc. btw, porsche did supply engines under the porsche-tag moniker in the 80's.
From my understanding (from my friends at BMW NA / Motorsport) the system in the Porsche is basically a system designed with Williams and BMW - funded heavily by BMW. My understanding (what I was told from BMW) was that Williams basically used the ground work and research from the endeavor with BMW to develop this system. There was some apparent resentment this year at Petit Le Mans from the BMW camp with Porsche running the GT3R.

As for VAG - it would be great to see another powerhouse jump into F1 but I agree - their costs would be too high and with Porsche reeling after last year's attempted take over their best bet is to continue to focus on GT racing.

Porsche did also run their own chassis with Dan Gurney behind the wheel in the 1960's. The 804 - ironically, it sounds like they left F1 during the 60's for the same reasons they won't reenter today!

Porsche 804 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old Dec 16, 2010 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Simba
Speed limiters? Going over 150 isn't politically correct, after all. Mandatory "hybrid" crap? No races in the rain? Decibel limits? Give the eco-tards an inch...

There's nothing wrong with turbos, but the displacement, cylinder configuration and RPM limits have irreparably ruined F1.

This is what F1 was when I was a kid, and what it always should have been:

YouTube - Senna´s qualifying lap at Adelaide

YouTube - Schumacher vs Hill spa 1995
What he said.
 
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