This Tops It All - Japanese GP Spoiler
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This Tops It All - Japanese GP Spoiler
You guys - especially those who watched the race along with us here live - won't believe this. How could the Stewards possibly see it this way?? They must have been watching a different race.
From Autosport.
In the end, Lewis brought this on himself with reckless driving in the first turn and then just pure stupidity in lap two. But Massa took out Bourdais - not the other way around. But instead of losing points and a position, he gains points.
All McLaren vs. Ferrari jousting aside, how could this be? Everyone saw what happened. All three announcers speculated that Massa would be penalized. Then Bourdais gets slapped with the penalty.
This short piece from F1Live.com pretty much sums up what everyone knows - but few like to admit.
The comedy of errors continues.
From Autosport.
Bourdais given 25-second penalty
By Edd Straw and Matt Beer Sunday, October 12th 2008, 07:46 GMT
Sebastien Bourdais has received a 25-second post-race penalty for his tangle with Felipe Massa in the Japanese Grand Prix.
The stewards' decision drops Bourdais from sixth to 10th in the race results - and also affects the title battle as it elevates Massa to seventh and therefore reduces Lewis Hamilton's championship advantage to five points.
Bourdais had been rejoining after his second pitstop on lap 50 just as Massa, who had yet to stop, turned into the first corner.
The Ferrari attempted to pass the Toro Rosso around the outside, but they made contact, sending Massa spinning. He rejoined and ultimately finished eighth.
The penalty moves Bourdais' teammate Sebastian Vettel up to sixth ahead of Massa, and gives Red Bull's Mark Webber a point for eighth place.
By Edd Straw and Matt Beer Sunday, October 12th 2008, 07:46 GMT
Sebastien Bourdais has received a 25-second post-race penalty for his tangle with Felipe Massa in the Japanese Grand Prix.
The stewards' decision drops Bourdais from sixth to 10th in the race results - and also affects the title battle as it elevates Massa to seventh and therefore reduces Lewis Hamilton's championship advantage to five points.
Bourdais had been rejoining after his second pitstop on lap 50 just as Massa, who had yet to stop, turned into the first corner.
The Ferrari attempted to pass the Toro Rosso around the outside, but they made contact, sending Massa spinning. He rejoined and ultimately finished eighth.
The penalty moves Bourdais' teammate Sebastian Vettel up to sixth ahead of Massa, and gives Red Bull's Mark Webber a point for eighth place.
All McLaren vs. Ferrari jousting aside, how could this be? Everyone saw what happened. All three announcers speculated that Massa would be penalized. Then Bourdais gets slapped with the penalty.
This short piece from F1Live.com pretty much sums up what everyone knows - but few like to admit.
Bourdais penalised for racing a Ferrari..
Sebastien Bourdais drove a great race to take the chequered flag in sixth position, 34 seconds behind race winner Fernando Alonso.
The AFP news agency is reporting however that the French Toro Rosso driver has been handed a 25 second penalty dropping him down to tenth position and out of the points.
Bourdais has been penalised by the race stewards for an incident late in the 67-lap Japanese Grand Prix when he defended his position from Ferrari driver Felipe Massa. Exiting the pits, Bourdais kept to the right hand side of the circuit heading to turn one while Felipe Massa moved to the left to try and pass around the outside.
Massa turned into the corner and contact was inevitable but it is stunning that the stewards have penalised Bourdais as he was on the inside and defending his position and not Massa.
The decision again raises the issue that the sport more often than not makes decisions that benefit the Ferrari team.
Sebastian Vettel is promoted to sixth position ahead of Felipe Massa who – surprise surprise – picks up an additional point with Bourdais’ 25 second penalty. Mark Webber is promoted to tenth ahead of Nick Heidfeld and Bourdais...
Sebastien Bourdais drove a great race to take the chequered flag in sixth position, 34 seconds behind race winner Fernando Alonso.
The AFP news agency is reporting however that the French Toro Rosso driver has been handed a 25 second penalty dropping him down to tenth position and out of the points.
Bourdais has been penalised by the race stewards for an incident late in the 67-lap Japanese Grand Prix when he defended his position from Ferrari driver Felipe Massa. Exiting the pits, Bourdais kept to the right hand side of the circuit heading to turn one while Felipe Massa moved to the left to try and pass around the outside.
Massa turned into the corner and contact was inevitable but it is stunning that the stewards have penalised Bourdais as he was on the inside and defending his position and not Massa.
The decision again raises the issue that the sport more often than not makes decisions that benefit the Ferrari team.
Sebastian Vettel is promoted to sixth position ahead of Felipe Massa who – surprise surprise – picks up an additional point with Bourdais’ 25 second penalty. Mark Webber is promoted to tenth ahead of Nick Heidfeld and Bourdais...
Last edited by Barrister; 10-12-2008 at 04:44 AM.
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F1 definitely CANNOT afford to take any hits at this point. With the economy in the toilet, companies are going to cut sponsorship of frivolities like sponsoring an F1 team. F1 fans are going to find themselves using their F1 tickets for other things, like groceries or fuel.
This season has been appalling when it comes to the "stewards". More like monkeys. In the off-season, the argument for professional, full-season stewards will have plenty of weight.
That said, I'm looking forward to the last two races, cheating and all!
This season has been appalling when it comes to the "stewards". More like monkeys. In the off-season, the argument for professional, full-season stewards will have plenty of weight.
That said, I'm looking forward to the last two races, cheating and all!
#4
They were talking about ING doing an online survey of what fans think of F1. We need to get a copy and circulate to EVERYONE we can and complain about things like this. So yes they gave FM a drive through, but then the essentially took it back with this move. Only in F1...I hate Bernie
#5
Abused-wife syndrome? When do we pack our bags and leave? If we do, will it matter to Bernie? Probably not, there will be new fans filling our shoes in no time.
What to do? What to do?
What to do? What to do?
#6
This is what happens when you have an international monopoly. Competition is a good thing.
The entire Canadian government is outraged that the Grand Prix there was cancelled. They are mobilizing all of their country's resources to sway Bernie.
Can you imagine that happening here?
The entire Canadian government is outraged that the Grand Prix there was cancelled. They are mobilizing all of their country's resources to sway Bernie.
Can you imagine that happening here?
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This is what happens when you have an international monopoly. Competition is a good thing.
The entire Canadian government is outraged that the Grand Prix there was cancelled. They are mobilizing all of their country's resources to sway Bernie.
Can you imagine that happening here?
The entire Canadian government is outraged that the Grand Prix there was cancelled. They are mobilizing all of their country's resources to sway Bernie.
Can you imagine that happening here?
personally, i am looking forward to slicks being re-introduced next year. this graining problem has gotten out of hand and a 2-3 lap optimal performance window just doesn't make for great racing. slicks will quell consistency issues and show which drivers are not only the most talented but also who have the most shrewd racecraft. my only concern is the single tire supplier, now that's an area that definitely needs some competition.
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In June of 2007 I attended a GP in the United States - in INDIANA of all places. There were 400,000 people there. The world literally descended on Indianapolis. There was not an empty seat in the house. Yet, at every European GP this year - including Valencia - there were huge blocks of unsold tickets and rows of empty seats. World Feed tried to avoid showing the empty seats on TV. But Bob Varsha would not let it go unnoticed.
My son (Oversteer) this shot during the final lap of the USGP in 2007. Literally thousands of photographers lined the track taking photos.
There is plenty of interest in F1 in the U.S. And even if there isn't, why does the interest have to be domestic? What if they had a race in Vegas - running through the downtown area? You don't think that race would draw people from all over the world? Does it matter if the race is attended by the international community and not U.S. citizens? You don't need domestic interest to have a successful GP. All of the money is in TV rights and licensing anyway.
In addition, if you had a series of successful GPs in the U.S. and were able to drum up some domestic interest, maybe Audi, Porsche and Volkswagen (which I know is partially owned by Porsche) might get involved. Audi owns Lambo and Bugatti - they too might be interested in fielding a team. They have all expressed interest in F1 if there was a stronger U.S. presence.
And don't forget, Ferrari sold almost 25% of its cars in the U.S. in 2007 (2000 out of roughly 6,000). I think even the tifosi would like to see that number increase.
So, if you ask me, I see the U.S. as the key to a new era of F1 competition.
Last edited by Barrister; 10-15-2008 at 12:32 AM.
#9
Dana, the problem with the US winning a GP spot is the endless $$$ some organizers are willing to spend to bring F1 to their shores...not that many willing to take that risk here.
To touch on Indy, you couldn't find a less appealing location for a GP in the US. The traveling circus that is F1 needs more than a first class track. The host track almost has to have a hustling bustling night life to entertain the thousands of fans and it has to be in close proximity to the track.
Vegas would be a go, as well as NYC, Miami, etc. Oh, Montreal too.
To touch on Indy, you couldn't find a less appealing location for a GP in the US. The traveling circus that is F1 needs more than a first class track. The host track almost has to have a hustling bustling night life to entertain the thousands of fans and it has to be in close proximity to the track.
Vegas would be a go, as well as NYC, Miami, etc. Oh, Montreal too.