355 to 360
Nov 30, 2011 | 05:47 PM
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I am not busting on you Simba because you know a whole hell of a lot more than me, but I often find that people that constantly work on cars with mechanical issues get jaded and think that all of them have issues. Which is understandable because all you ever see are the ones with problems. I have been around the auto repair industry for several years now and find myself thinking that because I see a lot of X cars in the shop that those types of cars are bad and always have issues when the reality is a lot of people never have a single problem.
Nov 30, 2011 | 05:52 PM
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i love the debate here, and hope it is fruitful for everyone now or in the future 
thank you guys for participating and i hope you will share any ideas and opinions
i will try to take pics, and i am getting the tingly feeling as when i did during my 993 hunt a few months ago 
very rare over here, never seen a 360cs for sale actually
even so, it would be way beyond my budget and needs. i don't think you can properly use a 360cs on kuwait's streets.
i would love the rear bootlid and challenge grill of course
chewed bubblegum
i love your input and appreciate your time, and wish to thank you again on your perspective via email and pm towards my issue
as you know, the 355's f1 unit and the price for its spare parts is a matter worthy of itself in making me switch to another fcar.
that said, does the 430 use the exact same 360 f1 set-up? i found that most part numbers cross-check
also, can the solenoid valves be found separately for the 360?
i realize it's a ferrari and a lot more things can go wrong other than the f1 but for my research this is what i am focusing on for now
have to add that the f360 has been rather great by most reviews from local owners and we have some that have up 80k and 110k miles in our weather.
i know for a fact that the modena is not slow, even though i REALLY don't care if any modded or stock Z350 is faster 
the sound and feel (thrill) of driving an fcar is definitely way more important than any numbers.
this is what i want to test in my drive tomorrow: does the 360 inspire me as did the 355 for the past 8yrs
thank you guys for participating and i hope you will share any ideas and opinions
very rare over here, never seen a 360cs for sale actually
even so, it would be way beyond my budget and needs. i don't think you can properly use a 360cs on kuwait's streets.i would love the rear bootlid and challenge grill of course
chewed bubblegumi love your input and appreciate your time, and wish to thank you again on your perspective via email and pm towards my issue
as you know, the 355's f1 unit and the price for its spare parts is a matter worthy of itself in making me switch to another fcar.
that said, does the 430 use the exact same 360 f1 set-up? i found that most part numbers cross-check
also, can the solenoid valves be found separately for the 360?
i realize it's a ferrari and a lot more things can go wrong other than the f1 but for my research this is what i am focusing on for now
have to add that the f360 has been rather great by most reviews from local owners and we have some that have up 80k and 110k miles in our weather.
the sound and feel (thrill) of driving an fcar is definitely way more important than any numbers.this is what i want to test in my drive tomorrow: does the 360 inspire me as did the 355 for the past 8yrs
Nov 30, 2011 | 07:44 PM
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Prior to the 360, they made amazing sports cars for enthusiasts. They built cars for drivers, people who cared about how fun the car was to drive, and who appreciated the passion and soul inherent to the designs. They had their shortcomings, but at the end of the day they produced a smile for those who could drive them competently.
With the 360, more importance was put on luxury elements and glitterati-enabling nonsense sold under the guise of being "F1 technology". With the 430, they had almost entirely jumped the shark, and the 458 was the death blow. Now they make video games, not cars.
There was a time when driving a Ferrari was special. Now the experience is little more than a GT-R with lighter steering. Technically, the cars are much more advanced, much faster, much more reliable and comfortable, and so on and so forth. They're also boring, and ugly. If someone had told Enzo what would happen to his company and his cars, he probably would have burnt the factory to the ground himself.
Not to piss on anyone's parade, of course. All of the cars are special in that compared to the average crap you see on the road, they may as well be from another planet. But, I'm a jaded purist, and an engineer, and hence I won't gloss over the shortcomings of a particular model because I have one (I could write a book on stupid things they did with the 355). The CS is a good example of this-- the vast majority of people slobber all over it with very little if any experience driving one in anger.
With the 360, more importance was put on luxury elements and glitterati-enabling nonsense sold under the guise of being "F1 technology". With the 430, they had almost entirely jumped the shark, and the 458 was the death blow. Now they make video games, not cars.
There was a time when driving a Ferrari was special. Now the experience is little more than a GT-R with lighter steering. Technically, the cars are much more advanced, much faster, much more reliable and comfortable, and so on and so forth. They're also boring, and ugly. If someone had told Enzo what would happen to his company and his cars, he probably would have burnt the factory to the ground himself.
Not to piss on anyone's parade, of course. All of the cars are special in that compared to the average crap you see on the road, they may as well be from another planet. But, I'm a jaded purist, and an engineer, and hence I won't gloss over the shortcomings of a particular model because I have one (I could write a book on stupid things they did with the 355). The CS is a good example of this-- the vast majority of people slobber all over it with very little if any experience driving one in anger.
Nov 30, 2011 | 07:57 PM
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The CS system is essentially the same as the 430, save for software and a few component differences. The non-CS 360 system is considerably different, though many of the components are the same or similar and will cross reference, even though they have different assembly numbers. The primary differences are software, electronic hardware and system pressure.
Nov 30, 2011 | 08:15 PM
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Not saying I don't have a horse in the race, I do-- I dislike the 360 personally because it represents the beginning of the end of a company I once loved. That doesn't affect my objectivity, though. The claim was made that the 360 is considerably more reliable than the 355. My experience, which is not insignificant, is contrary to that claim, so, that's what I took issue with.
Prior to the 360, they made amazing sports cars for enthusiasts. They built cars for drivers, people who cared about how fun the car was to drive, and who appreciated the passion and soul inherent to the designs. They had their shortcomings, but at the end of the day they produced a smile for those who could drive them competently.
With the 360, more importance was put on luxury elements and glitterati-enabling nonsense sold under the guise of being "F1 technology". With the 430, they had almost entirely jumped the shark, and the 458 was the death blow. Now they make video games, not cars.
There was a time when driving a Ferrari was special. Now the experience is little more than a GT-R with lighter steering. Technically, the cars are much more advanced, much faster, much more reliable and comfortable, and so on and so forth. They're also boring, and ugly. If someone had told Enzo what would happen to his company and his cars, he probably would have burnt the factory to the ground himself.
Not to piss on anyone's parade, of course. All of the cars are special in that compared to the average crap you see on the road, they may as well be from another planet. But, I'm a jaded purist, and an engineer, and hence I won't gloss over the shortcomings of a particular model because I have one (I could write a book on stupid things they did with the 355). The CS is a good example of this-- the vast majority of people slobber all over it with very little if any experience driving one in anger.
With the 360, more importance was put on luxury elements and glitterati-enabling nonsense sold under the guise of being "F1 technology". With the 430, they had almost entirely jumped the shark, and the 458 was the death blow. Now they make video games, not cars.
There was a time when driving a Ferrari was special. Now the experience is little more than a GT-R with lighter steering. Technically, the cars are much more advanced, much faster, much more reliable and comfortable, and so on and so forth. They're also boring, and ugly. If someone had told Enzo what would happen to his company and his cars, he probably would have burnt the factory to the ground himself.
Not to piss on anyone's parade, of course. All of the cars are special in that compared to the average crap you see on the road, they may as well be from another planet. But, I'm a jaded purist, and an engineer, and hence I won't gloss over the shortcomings of a particular model because I have one (I could write a book on stupid things they did with the 355). The CS is a good example of this-- the vast majority of people slobber all over it with very little if any experience driving one in anger.
boursachi, from all this I think it really is going to come down to that drive. If it gives you that similar joy you get driving the 355 then it is probably worth it. Even though I have limited time behind the wheel of Ferraris, my desire to own one would be the same as yours I believe. I want the performance, but it's more about the experience and joy for me as I will most likely not ever utilize the full capabilities. I think you will enjoy the 360 from Dana's comments.
Nov 30, 2011 | 08:25 PM
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The CS system is essentially the same as the 430, save for software and a few component differences. The non-CS 360 system is considerably different, though many of the components are the same or similar and will cross reference, even though they have different assembly numbers. The primary differences are software, electronic hardware and system pressure.
yes, in my research i did find that you can get a cs tcu that will change the way the f1feels in shifts
but would you rate the f1 system in the 360 (my 2000) as better, more reliable, and advanced than that of the 355?
or is it the same at the end of the day, although it costs less to maintain since the pump and tank and unit are separate and can be addressed individually?
a very important question i learned to ask is about the solenoid valves as well: can you source them individually? clutch release, engagement, and selection?
ps: this is a very tough decision for me, wish i could keep both
Nov 30, 2011 | 08:31 PM
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and btw
about what simba is on about with ferraris post 2000
i agree, completely
and will add that pcars and mbs are the same
i drive an r230 amg and while i love it i can live without it which is not what i could say for the r129 - and it's why i have two..
with pcars i recently acquired a 993 and much prefer basically everything about it over my 996 .. except that it is a 4spd
i am all for 355 in the ferrari dept but the 360 came out when i was a teenager and i went to college fantasizing about it because it was THE car, so for it to be a logical and sensible choice/option is easier
about what simba is on about with ferraris post 2000
i agree, completely
and will add that pcars and mbs are the same
i drive an r230 amg and while i love it i can live without it which is not what i could say for the r129 - and it's why i have two..
with pcars i recently acquired a 993 and much prefer basically everything about it over my 996 .. except that it is a 4spd
i am all for 355 in the ferrari dept but the 360 came out when i was a teenager and i went to college fantasizing about it because it was THE car, so for it to be a logical and sensible choice/option is easier
Nov 30, 2011 | 08:36 PM
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boursachi, from all this I think it really is going to come down to that drive. If it gives you that similar joy you get driving the 355 then it is probably worth it. Even though I have limited time behind the wheel of Ferraris, my desire to own one would be the same as yours I believe. I want the performance, but it's more about the experience and joy for me as I will most likely not ever utilize the full capabilities. I think you will enjoy the 360 from Dana's comments.
a proper 360 drive will be much more important than a ppii need to know if it speaks to me lol
i also wish to make sure that i can drive it 3 times a wk and that will depend on shifts
btw when i said 55 scares me w trac off i was referring to the amg and how i really dont need a fast car
im sure the 360 will go sideways with half throttle and trac off at a turn and thats all i need
Nov 30, 2011 | 08:37 PM
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Prior to the 360, they made amazing sports cars for enthusiasts. They built cars for drivers, people who cared about how fun the car was to drive, and who appreciated the passion and soul inherent to the designs. They had their shortcomings, but at the end of the day they produced a smile for those who could drive them competently.
With the 360, more importance was put on luxury elements and glitterati-enabling nonsense sold under the guise of being "F1 technology". With the 430, they had almost entirely jumped the shark, and the 458 was the death blow. Now they make video games, not cars.
There was a time when driving a Ferrari was special. Now the experience is little more than a GT-R with lighter steering. Technically, the cars are much more advanced, much faster, much more reliable and comfortable, and so on and so forth. They're also boring, and ugly. If someone had told Enzo what would happen to his company and his cars, he probably would have burnt the factory to the ground himself.
Not to piss on anyone's parade, of course. All of the cars are special in that compared to the average crap you see on the road, they may as well be from another planet. But, I'm a jaded purist, and an engineer, and hence I won't gloss over the shortcomings of a particular model because I have one (I could write a book on stupid things they did with the 355). The CS is a good example of this-- the vast majority of people slobber all over it with very little if any experience driving one in anger.
With the 360, more importance was put on luxury elements and glitterati-enabling nonsense sold under the guise of being "F1 technology". With the 430, they had almost entirely jumped the shark, and the 458 was the death blow. Now they make video games, not cars.
There was a time when driving a Ferrari was special. Now the experience is little more than a GT-R with lighter steering. Technically, the cars are much more advanced, much faster, much more reliable and comfortable, and so on and so forth. They're also boring, and ugly. If someone had told Enzo what would happen to his company and his cars, he probably would have burnt the factory to the ground himself.
Not to piss on anyone's parade, of course. All of the cars are special in that compared to the average crap you see on the road, they may as well be from another planet. But, I'm a jaded purist, and an engineer, and hence I won't gloss over the shortcomings of a particular model because I have one (I could write a book on stupid things they did with the 355). The CS is a good example of this-- the vast majority of people slobber all over it with very little if any experience driving one in anger.
You aren't pissing on anyone's parade either.
I doubt if any 360 owner will lose sleep over the fact that you don't like the car.
Your opinions are often so exaggerated and extreme that it is hard to take you too seriously anyway.
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