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Old 02-27-2010 | 12:34 AM
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Hi GUYS, despite some of your comments that I would never respond.... I am back.
First, Thanks to all you that have welcomed me to the forum. I am glad I have found the site and some new friends. As for the others that were not so welcoming….. OUCH, tough crowd! Not to worry though, my feelings were only a little hurt. I can understand that the majority of the members are guys, and I don’t fit the mold of a “typical” girl. Regardless, I do love driving and learning about Porsches. So please excuse the naivety of me being a complete novice in the forum community. I started a new thread since the previous one that I read about shifters had not been active for over a year and had a lot of inaccuracies. I guess I should have responded to that thread?? I just wanted to restart the discussion.

I do take issue with being accused of lying about the Porsches I have. Would anybody question this if I was a guy? Although I am offended by the request, I will get the cars together and take a photo so I can post it.

To answer JCay’s question about mid corner shifting; With the sequential shifter, not only can you shift much faster (less power interruption), but there is also no difficulty caused by lateral G’s , for example, with the 2nd to 3rd shift. You become so confident shifting, you never give a thought to where you are on the track or how often you need to shift to achieve optimum performance.
 
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Old 02-27-2010 | 12:37 AM
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It is not uncommon for several people per week to come here and make big claims about a huge stable of incredible supercars.

But when called on it, they never produce the goods. The anonymity of the Internet brings out the worst in some people.

Unfortunately, you are guilty until proven innocent here. It's how we have been conditioned.

But I promise you, if you are legit, everyone will welcome you and treat you as an equal - maybe better.

Post some pics of your cars. We would all love to see them because we all love cars. Proving yourself is just a fringe benefit. And it sounds like you know your stuff mechanically.

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Old 02-27-2010 | 01:45 AM
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Welcome. Looking forward to pictures.
I would also guess it helps with mid-corner shifting since your hands are off of the wheel for less time, and you can focus on steering more.
 
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Pics!
 
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Old 02-27-2010 | 03:28 PM
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I think the manner in which you arrived is much more questionable than your stable of cars. Most folks don't jump right in and start threads about products they're hocking without some ulterior motive. Usually, people post an introduction thread, or they'll use an existing thread to chime in with something relevant.

As mentioned previously, too many tools come in here and claim this/that/the other and prove to be trolls or general wastes of time. If you are here to be productive and do more than pitch stuff, you'll be very welcome.

And yes, post pics of yourself. I said it.
 
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Old 02-27-2010 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GT3 GIRL
Hi GUYS, despite some of your comments that I would never respond.... I am back.
First, Thanks to all you that have welcomed me to the forum. I am glad I have found the site and some new friends. As for the others that were not so welcoming….. OUCH, tough crowd! Not to worry though, my feelings were only a little hurt. I can understand that the majority of the members are guys, and I don’t fit the mold of a “typical” girl. Regardless, I do love driving and learning about Porsches. So please excuse the naivety of me being a complete novice in the forum community. I started a new thread since the previous one that I read about shifters had not been active for over a year and had a lot of inaccuracies. I guess I should have responded to that thread?? I just wanted to restart the discussion.

I do take issue with being accused of lying about the Porsches I have. Would anybody question this if I was a guy?
Although I am offended by the request, I will get the cars together and take a photo so I can post it.

To answer JCay’s question about mid corner shifting; With the sequential shifter, not only can you shift much faster (less power interruption), but there is also no difficulty caused by lateral G’s , for example, with the 2nd to 3rd shift. You become so confident shifting, you never give a thought to where you are on the track or how often you need to shift to achieve optimum performance.
1. Yes.
2. I've never been on a track, but I assume you can't just shift wherever you want and somehow achieve optimum performance. I'm pretty sure good drivers are confident with an ordinary MT and know when and how to up/downshift when they're supposed to. I understand the argument about faster shifting with a sequential gear box (or just shifter in this case) but I don't think "never give a thought to where you are on the track..." has anything to do with sequential > regular.
 
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Old 02-27-2010 | 05:11 PM
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So...... back on topic.

I love the idea of a sequential shifter as a drop-in replacement to a standard manual, but it really seems like a half-solution. When someone figures out how to build an electrohydraulic clutch to replace a standard clutch, and tie the controls to the shifter (and the throttle), we'll really be getting somewhere. I'm sure it's a tricky problem, but imagine the market for taking standard transmission cars, and converting them to true paddle-shift operation.

Solve that problem, and I'll be putting that in the Panoz.
 
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Old 02-27-2010 | 08:11 PM
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That explanation makes no sense to me.
Have you driven a similar car with a manual transmission on the track? I can't imagine that the shift time difference is that much between the MT and the faux sequential.

I am pretty fast on the MT box. A few people have asked me if I have a sequential or pdk shifter when they hear me change gears around the track. Still, I would never change gears around a corner. Upsetting the balance of the car like that is just dangerous. Consider what might happen if someone is leaking oil in front of you.

The only real advantage that I can honestly see to this shifter is that you can't miss a shift. This doesn't protect against over-revs if you shift down too early (or does it?).
 
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Old 02-27-2010 | 10:02 PM
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That explanation makes no sense to me.
Have you driven a similar car with a manual transmission on the track? I can't imagine that the shift time difference is that much between the MT and the faux sequential.

I am pretty fast on the MT box. A few people have asked me if I have a sequential or pdk shifter when they hear me change gears around the track. Still, I would never change gears around a corner. Upsetting the balance of the car like that is just dangerous. Consider what might happen if someone is leaking oil in front of you.

The only real advantage that I can honestly see to this shifter is that you can't miss a shift. This doesn't protect against over-revs if you shift down too early (or does it?).
It's probably very useful for people who aren't that great on a regular MT.
If you're already good on an MT (like you) then a sequential might not result in a noticeable difference.
 
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Old 02-27-2010 | 10:26 PM
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1 second a lap is a lot to pick up. The two areas where manual shifting slows you down on a track are upshifts on the straights, and downshifting while braking (it's very hard to maintain threshold braking while changing gear). Still, a second a lap is a lot.

As for shifting while cornering, when F1 introduced double-clutch gearboxes, the big song and dance about it was the ability to shift in a corner, because prior to that, even with the most advanced single-clutch paddle-shifts, that was impossible. So now, you didn't have to limit your gear ratios as much (i.e. in the past, you'd hear '3rd needs to be longer because I can't shift up to 4th until I'm all the way out of turn 7'. With double-clutch, you shift to 4th whenever you need to).

The only time you can depress and release the clutch on a car exiting a corner is when you're not actually on the limit, and you have enough rear grip spare to handle the sudden weight shift forward.
 



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