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Old Oct 26, 2013 | 04:14 PM
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When the Enzo came out it cost around 650k, LaFerrari is almost tripple that. This is entirely due to the hybrid system. It is way too expensive to scale these down to the mass produced Ferrari's. Everyone thought the 458 Speciale would get KERS, it didn't. The next gen cars will be turboed.

And no we are not going to see a 880hp F12 replacement. People are using linear thinking into believing that the past continues on forever into the future. Supercar development is peaking RIGHT now. Ferrari said over 50% of their R&D now goes towards emissions/fuel economy. We have reached max marginal utility with supercars in terms of both driver satisfaction and street useable performance. The 458 replacement will not be a clean sheet design, most likely slight improvements here and there on the body with a turbo v8.
 
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M bet is on weight reduction. New engine or not, car can be better way easily with less weight.
 
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Originally Posted by Ramius
When the Enzo came out it cost around 650k, LaFerrari is almost tripple that. This is entirely due to the hybrid system. It is way too expensive to scale these down to the mass produced Ferrari's. Everyone thought the 458 Speciale would get KERS, it didn't. The next gen cars will be turboed.

And no we are not going to see a 880hp F12 replacement. People are using linear thinking into believing that the past continues on forever into the future. Supercar development is peaking RIGHT now. Ferrari said over 50% of their R&D now goes towards emissions/fuel economy. We have reached max marginal utility with supercars in terms of both driver satisfaction and street useable performance. The 458 replacement will not be a clean sheet design, most likely slight improvements here and there on the body with a turbo v8.
While I agree with you that the LaFerrari is expensive, its cost is not entirely driven by the hybrid power plant. Let's think about the new aero and the new materials in the chassis. Cars like LaFerrari have always been labs for Ferrari to develop new power plant solutions. This is why I disagree with you on the next gen cars being turbocharged. If that had been the case, the LaFerrari would have been turbocharged.
Finally I agree with you on the end of linear extrapolation of power levels: weight is the next frontier at marginally better power levels.
 
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While I agree with you that the LaFerrari is expensive, its cost is not entirely driven by the hybrid power plant. Let's think about the new aero and the new materials in the chassis. Cars like LaFerrari have always been labs for Ferrari to develop new power plant solutions. This is why I disagree with you on the next gen cars being turbocharged. If that had been the case, the LaFerrari would have been turbocharged.
Finally I agree with you on the end of linear extrapolation of power levels: weight is the next frontier at marginally better power levels.
Agree on the hybrid stuff. Most probably on the V12 models. On the V8 i think they are gonna go both, turbocharged and hybrid. On the power levels, i dont know who told 880hp for the f12 sucessor, but that is very unreal in my opinion. But definitely it won't have the same power or less then the current model. I dont know any supercar manufactor that had a new model that had less power then the one it replaces, or even the same output. The weight is going dont but the power won't stop increasing. Maybe less then current bumps from generation to generation but it will always increase. The only case that i can remember right now its the new RS6, that has less power than the model it replaces, but that its a totally diferent case.
 
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Agree on the hybrid stuff. Most probably on the V12 models. On the V8 i think they are gonna go both, turbocharged and hybrid. On the power levels, i dont know who told 880hp for the f12 sucessor, but that is very unreal in my opinion. But definitely it won't have the same power or less then the current model. I dont know any supercar manufactor that had a new model that had less power then the one it replaces, or even the same output. The weight is going dont but the power won't stop increasing. Maybe less then current bumps from generation to generation but it will always increase. The only case that i can remember right now its the new RS6, that has less power than the model it replaces, but that its a totally diferent case.
Agree with you! exRockstar what do you think about RWD vs AWD? Do you think we might see more AWD Ferraris to cope with higher outputs or will the new eDiffs make the higher output RWD cars still enjoyable?
 
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Agree with you! exRockstar what do you think about RWD vs AWD? Do you think we might see more AWD Ferraris to cope with higher outputs or will the new eDiffs make the higher output RWD cars still enjoyable?
Still dont know. I can't still figure out what will be the guideline for Ferrari in that aspect. I think the california might have awd, i think there's a 65% chance we can see that. The rest i think they will leave it like it is. The ediff they have develop is quite something! On these last years i learn never to doubt ferraris enginers. They are exeptional! Always find a way outdo the competition.
 
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Still dont know. I can't still figure out what will be the guideline for Ferrari in that aspect. I think the california might have awd, i think there's a 65% chance we can see that. The rest i think they will leave it like it is. The ediff they have develop is quite something! On these last years i learn never to doubt ferraris enginers. They are exeptional! Always find a way outdo the competition.
That is why we keep coming back, right?
 
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I hope that in the future Ferrari will not resign from naturally aspirated engine. Nowadays when almost everything became turbocharged, big naturally aspirated engines became a symbol of prestige and exclusivity
 
Old Dec 19, 2013 | 12:34 PM
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I keep reading that the 2015 California will be turbocharged. I think using the 3.8L V8 from Maserati makes excellent business sense. I just hope the engine will not be shared with the 458 replacement: I would love to see an aspirated V8 mated to an electric motor... But if I were Ferrari I would put engine commonality above all.
 
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