Agreed, but it was essentially a mid-cycle face-lift -- I myself owned a 430, but Ferrari's motivation was to stay ahead of the Gallardo -- the Aventador challenger will need to be very special, and the build quality will need to be stepped up significantly -- the primary area where Lambo potentially cut cost is with a single-clutch gearbox as opposed to a dual-clutch gearbox

 

Yes, but because it's (as far as I can remember) a 20-80 front to rear split on the four wheel drive system it still has about 800 hp at the rear. So no matter if it's 4WD or not, it still has a crazy amount of power being put down by two tyres.

 

When there is traction yes power is split that way, but when one tire or tires don't have traction, the power is then sent to whatever tire or tires has better traction. Hence I don't get why they are being compared.


I'm fairly certain by the time this replacement comes out there will be no problem getting the power to the ground.

 

The cost was not the reason why Lamborghini choose single-clutch.

 

According to Lambo maybe. They keep saying it was due to weight, I myself am a bit torn whether it was weight or costs. We'll just have to wait and see how the ISR stacks up against a DCT.

 

That's a very good point of course, but still the front wheels can't handle too much power (and I've never read anyone complain about torque steer on a Veyron ... Well, actually, J Clarkson mentioned it could feel like it sometimes - but he wouldn't call it torque steer.). And if the rears struggled with traction in the first place the fronts would be getting a lot more power than 200 hp on regular basis when giving it the the beans, and then you WOULD have torque steer. So I still think it's a valid argument that it's an example that it can work fine, if done corrrectly!

Clarkson actually had a column in the last Top Gear mag where he talked about the horsepower race and how he thinks it must stop, because he feels it's getting unusable in a lot of cars like the GTO and the most powerful Mercs. So it's an interesting question.

But I agree with you, I don't think it wll be a problem. Mostly because I think they will do a really good job at Ferrari HQ. You never know though.

 

No my friend.

They said that they wanted to keep the feeling of shifting the gear. ( and I should know what they have said and not... ) and that it is lighter as well.....

Feels less artificial according to Lamborghini S.p.A

Bottom line is: Ferrari has to come up with something REAL spectacular. The 599 compared to the Murcielago was no competition for the lambo.

 

To me that's even a bigger bs reason than saving weight. When it comes to double clutches obviously the 458 is the car to aim for. No other car has as quick shifts and more Playstation (or as you say "artificial") feel to it.
Yet every review and test I've seen or read (and they are quite a few) mentions how perfect the dct in the 458 works. Every test of another car with dct mentions how it's just not quite as quick and impressive as the dct in the 458. I've not heard anyone complain about the feel of it. There are no downsides with a perfect dct like in the Italia (except maybe weight), especially not when it comes to feel.

Lamborghini are obviously trying to save their face and come up with a good reason why they, years after all their competitors, still don't have a dct in their cars. Because of the artificial feel? No way, the global breakthrough of dct's in sportscars has shown that not only don't mind the artificial feel, they even welcome it. Eventually even Lambo will realize it.

 

I personally think that such fast gear changes has a bad effect on the sound though. The 458's sound is like a drone noise - very consistent, each gear change doesn't sound like much drama compared to these


YouTube - F40 y F50. Sonido v8 biturbo y v12

 

Eagerly awaiting this car, I have my eyes on it and I hope it sounds just as good as the GTO.