Next 599 'to have 700bhp' - fastest, most powerful road car in Maranello’s history
Apr 4, 2011 | 09:55 AM
#12
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Two things I'm concerned about:
1. 700 hp rwd in a car that's even lighter than the 599? Will they really be able to get all that power down to the road? The GTO is already pushig the limit according to some reviews.
2. Still no larger scale of carbon fibre use like the Aventador monocoque or MP4 tub? Seems Lambos strategy, thanks to extensive and selected research and investments in CF-developement, has paid off and they are now actually AHEAD of Ferrari in this area. Something that could definitely prove to be very favourable for Lamborghinis future.
It's gonna be very interesting to see how the 599 replacement stacks up against the Aventador.
1. 700 hp rwd in a car that's even lighter than the 599? Will they really be able to get all that power down to the road? The GTO is already pushig the limit according to some reviews.
2. Still no larger scale of carbon fibre use like the Aventador monocoque or MP4 tub? Seems Lambos strategy, thanks to extensive and selected research and investments in CF-developement, has paid off and they are now actually AHEAD of Ferrari in this area. Something that could definitely prove to be very favourable for Lamborghinis future.
It's gonna be very interesting to see how the 599 replacement stacks up against the Aventador.
Apr 4, 2011 | 09:53 PM
#13
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From: Seattle
Two things I'm concerned about:
1. 700 hp rwd in a car that's even lighter than the 599? Will they really be able to get all that power down to the road? The GTO is already pushig the limit according to some reviews.
2. Still no larger scale of carbon fibre use like the Aventador monocoque or MP4 tub? Seems Lambos strategy, thanks to extensive and selected research and investments in CF-developement, has paid off and they are now actually AHEAD of Ferrari in this area. Something that could definitely prove to be very favourable for Lamborghinis future.
It's gonna be very interesting to see how the 599 replacement stacks up against the Aventador.
1. 700 hp rwd in a car that's even lighter than the 599? Will they really be able to get all that power down to the road? The GTO is already pushig the limit according to some reviews.
2. Still no larger scale of carbon fibre use like the Aventador monocoque or MP4 tub? Seems Lambos strategy, thanks to extensive and selected research and investments in CF-developement, has paid off and they are now actually AHEAD of Ferrari in this area. Something that could definitely prove to be very favourable for Lamborghinis future.
It's gonna be very interesting to see how the 599 replacement stacks up against the Aventador.
Apr 11, 2011 | 08:38 AM
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Autocar notes:
Next year’s replacement for the Ferrari 599 GTB will be the fastest, most powerful road car in Maranello’s history, possibly producing as much as 700bhp.
“If you look at where we went from the F430 to the 458, and from the 612 Scaglietti to the FF, it is not hard to see where we want the next 599 to be,” said one insider close to the project. “We are not looking for a small step.”
Another source said it would be very surprising if the car did not have “at least” 700bhp. Given that the FF motor is now rated at 651bhp, a clear 120bhp ahead of the 612 Scaglietti, and that the current 599 GTB has 612bhp in standard tune, 700bhp is clearly technically possible.
The new 599 will be powered by the next generation of the direct-injection 6.3-litre V12 used in the FF, an engine based on the original 599/Enzo unit and capable of 850bhp in the FXX Evoluzione.
Ferrari’s new flagship will also feature breakthrough structural and detailed engineering design to ensure that it is lighter than the model it replaces.
The shedding of weight has started with the FF, which, despite its all-wheel drive hardware, has an almost identical kerb weight to the 612 Scaglietti’s.
These weight savings will have to be delivered by Ferrari’s alloy monocoque body and not carbonfibre, which has been the route pursued by Lamborghini and McLaren. “The story of aluminium is not yet told,” said our source.
Ferrari believes that carbonfibre is not yet suitable for the kind of volume production required for the 599 replacement.
Ferrari has also hinted very strongly that the 599 will stick with a rear-drive layout. The company sees its new four-wheel drive system as “best suited to our grand touring cars”, a category that doesn’t include the 599.
However, Ferrari is on the record as saying that the system is destined for more than one car, with the next-generation California being the most likely recipient.
“If you look at where we went from the F430 to the 458, and from the 612 Scaglietti to the FF, it is not hard to see where we want the next 599 to be,” said one insider close to the project. “We are not looking for a small step.”
Another source said it would be very surprising if the car did not have “at least” 700bhp. Given that the FF motor is now rated at 651bhp, a clear 120bhp ahead of the 612 Scaglietti, and that the current 599 GTB has 612bhp in standard tune, 700bhp is clearly technically possible.
The new 599 will be powered by the next generation of the direct-injection 6.3-litre V12 used in the FF, an engine based on the original 599/Enzo unit and capable of 850bhp in the FXX Evoluzione.
Ferrari’s new flagship will also feature breakthrough structural and detailed engineering design to ensure that it is lighter than the model it replaces.
The shedding of weight has started with the FF, which, despite its all-wheel drive hardware, has an almost identical kerb weight to the 612 Scaglietti’s.
These weight savings will have to be delivered by Ferrari’s alloy monocoque body and not carbonfibre, which has been the route pursued by Lamborghini and McLaren. “The story of aluminium is not yet told,” said our source.
Ferrari believes that carbonfibre is not yet suitable for the kind of volume production required for the 599 replacement.
Ferrari has also hinted very strongly that the 599 will stick with a rear-drive layout. The company sees its new four-wheel drive system as “best suited to our grand touring cars”, a category that doesn’t include the 599.
However, Ferrari is on the record as saying that the system is destined for more than one car, with the next-generation California being the most likely recipient.
Apr 11, 2011 | 10:58 AM
#16
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From: Monaco
I don't think Ferrari were expecting Lamborghini to move the game up by two generations with one model -- the design, build quality, performance, and reliability are (or will be) exceptional -- the 458 Italia is stunning and I was very excited about the replacement models for the 612 & 599 -- let's hope the FF doesn't set the tone for the 599 Replacement Model -- hoping it will share some of the classical elegance of the original GTO!!!!!
Apr 11, 2011 | 11:08 AM
#17
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From: Stockholm
I think the 599 predecessor will have a lot more changes than the 575 had from the 550.
