Just realized your beefmeister

 

Yes, indeed I am! A 'Strategic Partner' ecurie25 TS account prompted me to ditch the Beefmeister account and use this one.

 

Any idea if Lotus will make it to India this time? If no GT3, might as well have a lotus.

 

Really? Those are your arguements? Ok. Tell me, WHO designed the VW engine? Who help CREATE VW??! Hmmm? This ought to be epic. And I knew someone was going to point out the VW sourced 6 in the Cayenne. The topic is 'true sports car' here, not cash cow SUV's. And even comparing Pagani using HAND MADE AMG sourced engines is rediculous.

Toyota Camry V6, compared to a AMG hand built engine or a Porsche hand built engine. Hmm. Amusing.

Isn't the purpose of outsourcing to SAVE costs??!! So, do tell- where is the savings? Certinaly not for the end user (who purchases it new). Have you even seen a Lotus Elise or Exige broken down? Have you? Exactly where did ALL the R&D go into to justify the MSRPs of those cars?! Competing in the same price point as a Porsche Cayman, or BMW M3, or Mercedes C63 and the like... uh huh.

hey Tim, you made a POST on an OPEN public forum where people post THEIR opinions. complaining as you do is like a Celebrity bitching that the paperazzi snaps photo's of them doing all sorts of rubbish-

I'd suggest thicker skin. This isn't Jalopnik or Gawker where the "contributing editors" are pretty much babies who just want to post their crap and pout when people make comments about their work.

I've read your posts before and you're better then to take ANY of this as a personal attack. I'm certainly not citing you as a crap journo, I just disagree with your stance that a Lotus can be better than a GT3. However, as you pointed out- I have not driven this new Lotus. So, as soon as I do I'll post my opinion about it.

Relax man, we're all passionate car people here. No need to make this personal.

 

so sales are what makes a car better?

 

Yes, they outsourced the engine (although still fitted with the supercharger and tuned in-house) and spent the rest of the budget on engineering the bonded aluminum chassis and suspension tuning. That's why the Exige comes in at nearly HALF the weight of everything it's competing against (and it outperforms all of them around the track).

While comparing the Cayman to the Exige sorta works, trying to draw parallels between an M3 or C63 and the Exige is like cross shopping a Camry and a Miata. Just doesn't make sense.

 

uhm, yes, one might use total sales as an indicator of success lol

 

Yeah, because that's what a Porsce is all about. Looking good at the club.

 

Alex you might find this hard to believe but when asking a person to spend $ - one *might* just consider the alternatives. I know you're an expert in sales and know how and why people make the car buying decisions they do; so I'm surprised you'd make such a statement.

The track really shows what a car is made of and capable of-we both know this. This is also why the Cayman receives rave reviews. They just love it on the track.

however. and brace yourself for this-


when people are asked to consider parting ways with ~$60k (give or take a some money) people who live in the real world aka those of us who get to see a track day MAYBE once a year or even 1 time in several years- they tend to weigh all the options in that price range.

thus why cayman sales sucked for so long. b/c for the same money they could get a CPO 997, or a M3, or C63 etc etc etc. The units of Cayman's sold -posted- were only high at one point in the last few years b/c of incentives to move the little bastards.

Certified Pre Owned Cayman's however remain very strong and go extremely quickly.

But when we sell 4 Lotus in a month and are the HIGHEST VOLUME LOTUS dealer in the Country- I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a 'success'. LOL

anyways. apologies to Tim for the thread hijack.

 

I think the point is just because Ford tauruses outsell GT3's doesnt make them a better car.