Custom Ordering a 991, 'Porsche Exclusive' and you!
Aug 10, 2012 | 06:50 AM
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Eduardo,
I was just thinking that I didn't see Turquiose Blue (3AS)on the approved list and I personally did that color and know of 2 others that have done it in the past 5 years.
One a cab and one a coupe....I copied exactly Dan's (Edgy)in California who, like you, really educated me to the world of "PTS".
He and my wife made me see that the Natural Brown Leather was the way to go with the interior
and not black which I was leaning towards. The lovely look and feel of that leather interior was an added bonus and I think the color makes the car.
Nothing like personalizing some important things in your life......no?
Maybe they also have a "closet list" for some PTS colors as well??
Best,
Tom
I was just thinking that I didn't see Turquiose Blue (3AS)on the approved list and I personally did that color and know of 2 others that have done it in the past 5 years.
One a cab and one a coupe....I copied exactly Dan's (Edgy)in California who, like you, really educated me to the world of "PTS". He and my wife made me see that the Natural Brown Leather was the way to go with the interior and not black which I was leaning towards. The lovely look and feel of that leather interior was an added bonus and I think the color makes the car. Nothing like personalizing some important things in your life......no?Maybe they also have a "closet list" for some PTS colors as well??
Best,
Tom
Aug 10, 2012 | 11:38 AM
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Eduardo,
I was just thinking that I didn't see Turquiose Blue (3AS)on the approved list and I personally did that color and know of 2 others that have done it in the past 5 years. One a cab and one a coupe....Maybe they also have a "closet list" for some PTS colors as well??
I was just thinking that I didn't see Turquiose Blue (3AS)on the approved list and I personally did that color and know of 2 others that have done it in the past 5 years.
One a cab and one a coupe....Maybe they also have a "closet list" for some PTS colors as well??Think of having to 'repaint' those three completed 'Champagne Yellow' 997's in your own story and then you will understand the warranty costs & liability that PAG would be exposed to if they allow through a PTS color that turns out to be problematic for them in the next few years of daily use!
My 'Signal Green' 997.1 Carrera S coupe was painted by them in 2007. Its 'colour code' W25 and they have that formula 'on file'. But the folks at PAG have already told me specifically that I would have to provide them a color sample on a piece of metal before they would start to process of approving that color on a 991! There may be many things still inside a 'closet' at Zuffenhausen, but a secret list of PTS colors is not one of them!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Aug 10, 2012 | 12:24 PM
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I have been following this thread and i keep wanting to say thanks to Eduardo for taking the time to educate us all, but i also don't like to post...but i just have to so i can stop thinking about it.
So, thanks a million, Eduardo! This is, by far, one of my favorite threads on any forum right now.
So, thanks a million, Eduardo! This is, by far, one of my favorite threads on any forum right now.
Aug 10, 2012 | 04:01 PM
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Thank you, Sir! I might take you up on that one of these days. I attended the University of Pennsylvania as an undergraduate from 1968 to 1972, so I am familiar with Philly's delicious cheesesteak sandwiches! I need to make it back there soon, perhaps for a Homecoming football weekend, and cheer for the old Red & Blue!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Saludos,
Eduardo
Aug 21, 2012 | 02:20 PM
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Unusual PTS Exteriors & Interiors Seen At The Historics Last Week!
I have been busy for the past 10 days in Carmel which accounts for no new posting on this thread in the past week! That is my favorite week in the calendar! This year my activities included the following:
1) Pre-Historics at Laguna Seca on Sunday!
2) Garage Style Magazine's 'Garage Tour' on Monday!
3) Carmel's 'Concours on the Avenue' on Tuesday!
Automobilia Monterey on Tuesday & Wednesday! (Automobilia Monterey: 11th Annual International Expo - August 13 - 14 , 2013)
4) Micro-Car Show in Pacific Grove on Wednesday noon!
Gordon McCall's Jet Center Party on Wednesday night!
5) Test Driving - Porsche Zentrum in Quail Lodge on Thursday!
Pebble Beach Concours Entrants Rallye - Lunch Stop in Carmel's Ocean Avenue!
6) 'Legends of the Autobahn' Concours in La Cañada Golf Club on Friday Morning!
'Concorso Italiano' near Pasadera Golf Club on Friday Afternoon!
7) Historics Racing at Laguna Seca on Saturday day!
'Carrera Panamericana Reunion' at Baja Cantina on Saturday night!
8) 'Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance' on Sunday day!
Gooding's Auction on Sunday night!
And I missed The Quail, Mecum's, RM's, Bonhams, Russo & Steele - ran out of time and money!
At both the Pre-Historics and Historics, a very unusual '09 Porsche Turbo was parked in the paddock area. It is a PTS color which the owner 'borrowed' from a Ferrari racing team he knows in Belgium. This hue is a close relative to my old '73 911's 'Signal Yellow' (although it looks almost 'orange' in photos), but more intense! The owner had the Belgians provide him the color formula and then used it to paint a sample piece which was sent to PAG. It was approved and given the 'colour code' Z10. Yellows are an extremely difficult color on any car's surface. I could tell that over time, the plastic bumpers had retain the color pretty well but the metal surfaces adjacent to it were a shade different - almost giving a translucent look. This is one of the reasons that PAG so often does not approve a customer's PTS color request. They don't want to be liable for warranty work down the road if the owner complains about fading & mis-matching panels. The interior was also 'Leather to Sample' - blue with yellow deviating stitching. As with all 'Leather to Sample' interiors, the interior's plastic pieces (speakers, defroster vents, etc) will be done in black 'soft touch' paint. The factory actually encourages you to cover all of these plastic pieces in leather to achieve a better coordinated look. This owner did not do that, but the contrast with the blue is totally acceptable!
Next photo is of a beautiful PTS 'Riviera Blue' My2006 Carrera S that was on display at 'Legends of the Autobahn' on Friday. It belongs to a friend (Phil) from NorCal. Next to Phil is a 'Turquoise' 993!
Final photos are of the 'Agate Grey/Lime Gold' interior on a Boxster at the Porsche Zentrum in Quail. This is shown as available only in 'Partial Leather' on the Configurator for that model exclusively. But it's my understanding that it could be requested by special order in other models (e.g. 991) and even in a 'Full Leather' interior. As photographed at Quail, all of the Agate Grey components are in 'vinyl'. Only the 'Lime Gold' parts are real leather. 'Lime Gold' is an unusual hue and could look very interesting as an interior with other exterior colors besides 'Lime Gold' (e.g. Anthracite, Mahogany, Cognac & Agate Grey). This 'Lime' interior has been seldom ordered to date by any customer or dealer. So it was the first time I have ever seen it in person...and so perhaps by most of you!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
1) Pre-Historics at Laguna Seca on Sunday!
2) Garage Style Magazine's 'Garage Tour' on Monday!
3) Carmel's 'Concours on the Avenue' on Tuesday!
Automobilia Monterey on Tuesday & Wednesday! (Automobilia Monterey: 11th Annual International Expo - August 13 - 14 , 2013)
4) Micro-Car Show in Pacific Grove on Wednesday noon!
Gordon McCall's Jet Center Party on Wednesday night!
5) Test Driving - Porsche Zentrum in Quail Lodge on Thursday!
Pebble Beach Concours Entrants Rallye - Lunch Stop in Carmel's Ocean Avenue!
6) 'Legends of the Autobahn' Concours in La Cañada Golf Club on Friday Morning!
'Concorso Italiano' near Pasadera Golf Club on Friday Afternoon!
7) Historics Racing at Laguna Seca on Saturday day!
'Carrera Panamericana Reunion' at Baja Cantina on Saturday night!
8) 'Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance' on Sunday day!
Gooding's Auction on Sunday night!
And I missed The Quail, Mecum's, RM's, Bonhams, Russo & Steele - ran out of time and money!
At both the Pre-Historics and Historics, a very unusual '09 Porsche Turbo was parked in the paddock area. It is a PTS color which the owner 'borrowed' from a Ferrari racing team he knows in Belgium. This hue is a close relative to my old '73 911's 'Signal Yellow' (although it looks almost 'orange' in photos), but more intense! The owner had the Belgians provide him the color formula and then used it to paint a sample piece which was sent to PAG. It was approved and given the 'colour code' Z10. Yellows are an extremely difficult color on any car's surface. I could tell that over time, the plastic bumpers had retain the color pretty well but the metal surfaces adjacent to it were a shade different - almost giving a translucent look. This is one of the reasons that PAG so often does not approve a customer's PTS color request. They don't want to be liable for warranty work down the road if the owner complains about fading & mis-matching panels. The interior was also 'Leather to Sample' - blue with yellow deviating stitching. As with all 'Leather to Sample' interiors, the interior's plastic pieces (speakers, defroster vents, etc) will be done in black 'soft touch' paint. The factory actually encourages you to cover all of these plastic pieces in leather to achieve a better coordinated look. This owner did not do that, but the contrast with the blue is totally acceptable!
Next photo is of a beautiful PTS 'Riviera Blue' My2006 Carrera S that was on display at 'Legends of the Autobahn' on Friday. It belongs to a friend (Phil) from NorCal. Next to Phil is a 'Turquoise' 993!
Final photos are of the 'Agate Grey/Lime Gold' interior on a Boxster at the Porsche Zentrum in Quail. This is shown as available only in 'Partial Leather' on the Configurator for that model exclusively. But it's my understanding that it could be requested by special order in other models (e.g. 991) and even in a 'Full Leather' interior. As photographed at Quail, all of the Agate Grey components are in 'vinyl'. Only the 'Lime Gold' parts are real leather. 'Lime Gold' is an unusual hue and could look very interesting as an interior with other exterior colors besides 'Lime Gold' (e.g. Anthracite, Mahogany, Cognac & Agate Grey). This 'Lime' interior has been seldom ordered to date by any customer or dealer. So it was the first time I have ever seen it in person...and so perhaps by most of you!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Aug 22, 2012 | 03:11 PM
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2) Leather Interior Choices - Part 4
Option # XHS for $1,190. This what the configurator calls it: 'Center tunnel rear in leather with decorative stitching'. Here is what it contains:
Covered in smooth-finish leather in interior color with decorative stitching:
- center tunnel cover in rear
- storage compartment lid in center console
This is one option to STRONGLY consider. The reason I suggest you all should get it is that the alternatives do not look as attractive. Without 'full leather' interior, both areas are covered in texture vinyl (1st photo attached).
2nd & 3rd photos shows area as it comes with 'full leather' interior in 'Black' and the 4th in 'Pebble Grey'. The console lid is covered tightly in leather which is often confused for a synthetic leather and the rear tunnel is covered in leather but with limited stitching.
5th, 6th & 7th photos are of this area with option XHS in a 'full leather' interior in 'Black'. Last photo is of the standard tightly wrapped console lid in a typical 'full leather' interior in 'Black' for comparison!
The stitching on option XHS is really pronounced and the whole thing looks very elegant & well finished. The lower part of the rear tunnel is done in the higher quality 'smooth' leather that matches the leather grade of the seats. The stitching on the lid of center console (storage) leaves no doubt the material is leather!
Unfortunately on the standard 'Black' full leather interior, the lid and top of rear tunnel of Option XHS is done in textured leather instead of the higher quality 'smooth' leather found on the seats! I believe that XHS will be done in the higher grade leather everywhere in the lid & rear tunnel if you order this option with the natural upgraded leathers (e.g. Carrera Red). The lid on my Spyder's 'Carrera Red' optional lid looks even better due to the higher quality of the 'natural' aniline dyed leather used on that interior!
This option was not available on early orders. I have only seen it on the 'Racing Yellow' 991 of 'Porsche Exclusive' Manager Sascha Glaeser which he uses as a demonstrator at this time. However, it has been available to order for several months now on the PCNA configurator!
At this time, this option apparently can NOT be ordered with deviating stitching. Not even the standard 'limited' colors offered for the seats, dash, door panels, etc. This restriction will change soon. Deviating stitching for all additional leather 'Porsche Exclusive' options is expected to be available later this Fall. However, if you are ordering right now a 'full leather' interior without deviating stitching, this XHS option will have stitching that matches the rest of your interior today and will look very good!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Covered in smooth-finish leather in interior color with decorative stitching:
- center tunnel cover in rear
- storage compartment lid in center console
This is one option to STRONGLY consider. The reason I suggest you all should get it is that the alternatives do not look as attractive. Without 'full leather' interior, both areas are covered in texture vinyl (1st photo attached).
2nd & 3rd photos shows area as it comes with 'full leather' interior in 'Black' and the 4th in 'Pebble Grey'. The console lid is covered tightly in leather which is often confused for a synthetic leather and the rear tunnel is covered in leather but with limited stitching.
5th, 6th & 7th photos are of this area with option XHS in a 'full leather' interior in 'Black'. Last photo is of the standard tightly wrapped console lid in a typical 'full leather' interior in 'Black' for comparison!
The stitching on option XHS is really pronounced and the whole thing looks very elegant & well finished. The lower part of the rear tunnel is done in the higher quality 'smooth' leather that matches the leather grade of the seats. The stitching on the lid of center console (storage) leaves no doubt the material is leather!
Unfortunately on the standard 'Black' full leather interior, the lid and top of rear tunnel of Option XHS is done in textured leather instead of the higher quality 'smooth' leather found on the seats! I believe that XHS will be done in the higher grade leather everywhere in the lid & rear tunnel if you order this option with the natural upgraded leathers (e.g. Carrera Red). The lid on my Spyder's 'Carrera Red' optional lid looks even better due to the higher quality of the 'natural' aniline dyed leather used on that interior!
This option was not available on early orders. I have only seen it on the 'Racing Yellow' 991 of 'Porsche Exclusive' Manager Sascha Glaeser which he uses as a demonstrator at this time. However, it has been available to order for several months now on the PCNA configurator!
At this time, this option apparently can NOT be ordered with deviating stitching. Not even the standard 'limited' colors offered for the seats, dash, door panels, etc. This restriction will change soon. Deviating stitching for all additional leather 'Porsche Exclusive' options is expected to be available later this Fall. However, if you are ordering right now a 'full leather' interior without deviating stitching, this XHS option will have stitching that matches the rest of your interior today and will look very good!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Aug 26, 2012 | 06:22 PM
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2) Leather Interior Choices - Part 5
Porsche added a few weeks ago option 'XNS' to their PCNA configurator. It is called 'Steering column casing in leather', Option # XNS, for $465. I think this option is very important and I will explain to you why. Without this option, all colored interiors in your 991/981 other than 'Black' will not be as well coordinated since it will come with a dual-tone steering wheel as 'standard'. In the 991/981, the front of the steering wheel is now color coordinated to the interior color (e.g. Luxor Beige, Yachting Blue, Platinum Grey, Carrera Red) and the back of the steering wheel is done in 'black' to coordinate with the adjacent steering column casing done standard in 'Black' plastic. See the first 2 photos below to see what I am talking about!
The steering wheels in the 997/987 models were not as awkward because Porsche did not color-coordinate the front of those steering wheels! For example, in early MY2011, the standard steering wheel was painted a shade of silver and only the leather rim was colored coordinated to your interior. In late MY2011 & MY2012, the standard steering wheel now came painted in 'black' and the leather rim was still colored to your interior (see photo #3), which was an nice look!
With the new 991/981, the standard steering wheel's front is now painted to match your interior, in addition to having the leather rim in that color too! If you order Option 'XNS', Porsche provides you with a beautiful leather casing with stitching so that your steering column can color match your interior's leather color. But that is NOT ALL. It also eliminates the 'black' rear part of your steering wheel since that apparently is also coordinated to the color of your interior and the adjacent leather-covered 'steering column' (see attachment #4 from the configurator in Luxor Beige)! Photo #5 lets you contrast the previous attachment to a 'Luxor Beige' Full leather interior without this 'XNS' leather casing option so you will see in the standard black plastic!
This 'XNS' option is brand new on the 991/981 and I have not seen or yet photographed any cars done with this option. However, I did ordered 'Steering Column Casing in Leather' on my 'Carrera Red' MY2012 Spyder and that is what you will see in the last photo (#6 & #7). It is absolutely stunning!
For those ordering a 'Black' or any of the Dual-Tone/BiColor interiors, this 'XNS' option is interesting & beautiful but not necessary! But for anyone that orders the lighter/brighter color interiors like 'Luxor Beige', 'Yachting Blue' or 'Carrera Red', this option is highly recommended in order for you to achieve a blended & more color consistent look in your 991/981 interior! You will also love it simply for the great looking leather & stitching, which is very pronounced! Finally, it's also one of the least expensive 'Porsche Exclusive' leather options that Porsche offers...so take advantage of it!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
The steering wheels in the 997/987 models were not as awkward because Porsche did not color-coordinate the front of those steering wheels! For example, in early MY2011, the standard steering wheel was painted a shade of silver and only the leather rim was colored coordinated to your interior. In late MY2011 & MY2012, the standard steering wheel now came painted in 'black' and the leather rim was still colored to your interior (see photo #3), which was an nice look!
With the new 991/981, the standard steering wheel's front is now painted to match your interior, in addition to having the leather rim in that color too! If you order Option 'XNS', Porsche provides you with a beautiful leather casing with stitching so that your steering column can color match your interior's leather color. But that is NOT ALL. It also eliminates the 'black' rear part of your steering wheel since that apparently is also coordinated to the color of your interior and the adjacent leather-covered 'steering column' (see attachment #4 from the configurator in Luxor Beige)! Photo #5 lets you contrast the previous attachment to a 'Luxor Beige' Full leather interior without this 'XNS' leather casing option so you will see in the standard black plastic!
This 'XNS' option is brand new on the 991/981 and I have not seen or yet photographed any cars done with this option. However, I did ordered 'Steering Column Casing in Leather' on my 'Carrera Red' MY2012 Spyder and that is what you will see in the last photo (#6 & #7). It is absolutely stunning!
For those ordering a 'Black' or any of the Dual-Tone/BiColor interiors, this 'XNS' option is interesting & beautiful but not necessary! But for anyone that orders the lighter/brighter color interiors like 'Luxor Beige', 'Yachting Blue' or 'Carrera Red', this option is highly recommended in order for you to achieve a blended & more color consistent look in your 991/981 interior! You will also love it simply for the great looking leather & stitching, which is very pronounced! Finally, it's also one of the least expensive 'Porsche Exclusive' leather options that Porsche offers...so take advantage of it!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel