VIDEO - Tiff Needell - Porsche 911 Carrera S vs Nissan GT-R - EVO
Mar 29, 2012 | 11:42 PM
#22
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This is what I want to know. Most comparisons look at a few laps around some track. What would happen if you ran both cars hard around the'ring for say four hours, or even more? Would we begin to see that one is getting your money's worth with the Porsche? I just remember a comparison between the GT-R and a GT3 a couple of years ago at the 'ring. I don't remember the magazine, but I do remember the GT-R having some overheating problems, and the brakes caught on fire. The GT3 was faster around the "ring and sailed smoothly around the 'ring with no mechanical glitches. Seems to me if you want to see who really has the "beef" you need to run them hard for several hours and see what shakes out. Oh and yes, the GTR's real competition is the new 991 Turbo, as you folks have pointed out. It is easier to tweak more horses out of a turbo motor...just saying.
I would like to see future tests reflecting the overall durability and "toughness" of certain cars, not just "long-term" logs pertaining to a particular vehicle's reliability.
Last edited by Zeus; Mar 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM.
Mar 30, 2012 | 03:24 PM
#23
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From: Pennsylvania
I was thinking the same thing earlier. It seems in nearly all modern track reviews all they do is drift around the track.
Mar 30, 2012 | 03:53 PM
#24
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Zeus,
I kept the magazine so I searched through my mag collection and found the article. It is from CAR magazine, July 2009 page 72. The GT-R lapped the 'ring in 7:51 and the GT3 did 7:49. The GT3 was a manual, and obviously 2 wheel drive. It was a GT-R spec V that they also tested that had the brake fire, not the GT-R that ran against the GT3. The brakes on the spec V were shot after 2 laps. The CAR journalists preferred the GT3 over the GT-R, objectively and subjectively. Can't wait for the 991 GT3, PDK or manual, whatever Porsche decides to do.
I kept the magazine so I searched through my mag collection and found the article. It is from CAR magazine, July 2009 page 72. The GT-R lapped the 'ring in 7:51 and the GT3 did 7:49. The GT3 was a manual, and obviously 2 wheel drive. It was a GT-R spec V that they also tested that had the brake fire, not the GT-R that ran against the GT3. The brakes on the spec V were shot after 2 laps. The CAR journalists preferred the GT3 over the GT-R, objectively and subjectively. Can't wait for the 991 GT3, PDK or manual, whatever Porsche decides to do.
Last edited by USCCayman; Mar 30, 2012 at 03:54 PM.
Mar 30, 2012 | 04:19 PM
#25
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This is a very good point. I have read more than once that if you ride shotgun with a professional the likes of Al Holbert, RIP (I believe the article I am remembering was actually talking about Al) you would be amazed at how smoothly they drive (the smoother you are, the faster you go). We all know that all that drifting and wheel spinning costs time.
Last edited by USCCayman; Mar 30, 2012 at 04:21 PM.
Mar 30, 2012 | 07:50 PM
#26
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About a year ago I had the opportunity to ride shotgun for a few laps with Hurley Haywood in the Porsche race car he won the 1991 Supercar championship with. It is amazing how smooth and relaxed the professional drivers are. I asked Hurley how one get accustomed to the speed, and more importantly, the proximity to other race cars at high speed (or in tight corners) for the duration of a race and he said it is one of the hardest things for young race car driver to get comfortable with.
To USCCayman's point, we also drove 911's & Cayman's very, very hard for 7 hours and they took the abuse without incident.
To USCCayman's point, we also drove 911's & Cayman's very, very hard for 7 hours and they took the abuse without incident.
