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Old Jul 23, 2010 | 05:12 PM
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What do you guys think the chances are of a sunroof delete option this time around? That autobild pic looks like it could be a carbon roof, or targa i suppose. Maybe they are seeing the take rate of the carbon roof on the M3 as motivation hopefully...
 

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Old Jul 23, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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All of those renders are.. Ummm, good, but ugly. Here's mine.



In case it wasn't obvious I'm a purist and don't like Porsches when they change too much between generation.

I claimed that the new 911 will have around 400hp, but my render has 425, because of the TEAMSPEED plate!

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And here is some information!

The Porsche 991 will overall be a larger car than the 997. This increase in size will be due to a larger passenger area, and also to meet strict crash regulations. The rear seat space will be dramatically increased, and you’ll actually be able to fit more than two people in the 911. The car will sport a significantly wider track, for more grip, and also, again, for the passenger space.

Let’s talk bodywork alterations. The only parts of the car that will remain the same are the side doors on the 991 Cabriolet models, and the roof panels on the coupe models. The front will sport higher wings, ovular style headlights, a new fascia, an adjustable splitter, LED DTRL’s, and a more circular bonette. In the rear will be very similar but different LED taillights. The lights will be longer and flatter to fit the new rear qtr panels, and will obviously have a re-designed LED panel. The Porsche 911’s today are known for their spoilers that extend at 75mph, and retract at 32mph. The 991 will retain that same functionality, but instead of the spoiler being integrated into the engine ventilation, the spoiler will be integrated to the body work just below the engine compartment, and just like the splitter, it will be adjustable. Of course new side mirrors on the a-pillars, and the rear diffuser will face a minor refresh, updating it to the current Porsche design DNA.

All of the new 991 models may feature standard PASM, and for the four wheel drive variants, standard Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV) for extended traction, and better performance on differentiating terrain. The new 911 models will all be lighter, making it unnecessary for a significant power increase. The new models will all increase power on an average of 15-35 bhp. This minor power increase also means no reason to change the displacement; the 991 models will be available with either a 3.6 liter, or a 3.8 liter engine.

As efficiency is a must, Porsche’s doppelkupplungsgetriebe (PDK), will be optional over a standard manual transmission. The lighter bodywork construction will also increase efficiency, as well as a standard start/stop function with an increased response at stoplights. Increasing the efficiency of 911 models even further, the brake energy regeneration system, KERS, will become standard among all 911 models. Porsche might even choose to make this energy accessible while using launch control in PDK, or possibly a push button use for manual transmission cars. Porsche could possibly reduce .2 seconds off 0-60 times if this technology is used.

All of this seems like a lot, and some of this information is only based off of speculation and spy photos. But we can definitely expect a very significant improvement over all of the ne 911 models for the 991. Price increase won’t be too dramatic at about $4,000 per or more per model. We can hope to see this new model range unveiled in late 2011, and hit dealers in mid 2012. The new range will include all of the familiar 911 models, and possibly a few additional models added. In 2016 we will get a look at a facelifted version of the 991, and in 2019, an entirely new 911 model range. But look out; this could be the last time you will be able to buy a 911 with a manual transmission.

Here is a list of 911 models, there displacement, and output.

Carrera 3.6 360bhp
Carrera Cabriolet 3.6 360bhp
Carrera S 3.8 400bhp
Carrera S Cabriolet 3.8 400bhp
Carrera 4 3.6 360bhp
Carrera 4 Cabriolet 3.6 360bhp
Carrera 4S 3.8 400bhp
Carrera 4S Cabriolet 3.8 400bhp
Targa 4 3.6 360bhp
Targa 4S 3.8 400bhp
Carrera GTS 3.8 425bhp
Turbo 3.8 530bhp
Turbo Cabriolet 3.8 530bhp
Turbo S 3.8 570bhp (991.2)
Turbo S Cabriolet 3.8 570bhp (991.2)
GT2 3.8 570bhp
GT3 3.8 450bhp
GT3 RS 3.8 460bhp

Considering this is all really pushing the limits with all of this power, the Porsche 992, will probably get an extensive re-design, but still look very similar. It will be a lot lighter, much less power per model, but the power won't be needed, because of the weight loss and gained aero, but it's WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY to early to star speculating. Let's wait 7 years for that...
 

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Old Jul 23, 2010 | 07:14 PM
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The 911 needs to change just a little in order for it to stay competitive in the auto industry. Which I'm sure the new 911 will. And as long as the change is nothing like the 996, it should be a good change.
 
Old Jul 23, 2010 | 07:17 PM
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The 911 needs to change just a little in order for it to stay competitive in the auto industry. Which I'm sure the new 911 will. And as long as the change is nothing like the 996, it should be a good change.
If you're talking about the amount of change, it will probably be as much as the 996-997. Which is fine by me. If you're talking the looks, I think Porsche is over the 996

At Porsche, they change absolutely everything (except the roofline) by very small millimeters, and this makes an entirely new car. That's how Porsche has always been, and, I really don't think that'll change- as long as a German is in charge
 
Old Jul 23, 2010 | 07:43 PM
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The change from the 996 to the 997 was pretty big and not just a little change here and there IMO. The new car will not be mistaken for anything but a Porsche no matter how much change there is.
 
Old Jul 23, 2010 | 10:19 PM
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Who are you guys kidding? The new 911 is gonna be awesome.
 
Old Jul 23, 2010 | 10:21 PM
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Who are you guys kidding? The new 911 is gonna be awesome.
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Old Jul 25, 2010 | 11:21 AM
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 08:46 AM
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Anthony the main reason your renderings are off is the new 998 will have a similar taillight design to the 918 spyder FYI
 
Old Jul 26, 2010 | 09:11 AM
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Meh - I want a Cayman CS instead. DJ, work your magic with PCNA and get it here!!
 



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