I cannot believe the GT-R laptimes comparing to many superior supercars:
FastestLaps.com - Road legal sportscar lap times, stats, pictures and more!

 

458 vs GT-R:
Ferrari 458 Italia vs Nissan GT-R - FastestLaps.com


LP 640-4 SV vs GT-R:
Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce vs Nissan GT-R - FastestLaps.com

997 GT2 vs GT-R:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...gt-r_2011.html

997 turbo S vs GT-R:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...gt-r_2011.html

 

After the past few years of comparisons like this, I'm becoming less and less surprised, but still as impressed as ever.

It really seems like Nissan is ahead of the game in the supercar market. I'd like to find out how much it costs to build a GTR, Turbo S, 458, etc.

 

This ^

 

I understand the appeal of driving a Porsche, I really do.

But why does it matter if the GTR is made by Nissan? It's not like we're not talking Kia/Hyundai who have, in the past, had issues with quality. Nissan is one of the most reputable auto manufacturers out there and you guys are hating on it because they sell affordable cars, one in particular that out performs your $150k porsche.

The GTR is comparable in all respects to the other "supercars" we discuss all the time on TS with exception to the MSRP. I guess the days of getting more for your money are gone and now it's all about who drives the most expensive car, even if it's no better than a cheaper counterpart.

 

This statement epitomizes the 'typical' buyer demographic of a Porsche person. Actually, it's the same for someone who buys a Ferrari, or Lambo-

Or-

Mercedes or BMW over a Honda, Acura or other.

It's about a perceived value. ONLY if you can stroke a check or pay for such cars will you start to understand what he's talking about. Perceived Value- as determined by the 'entire' package. Performance, heritage, brand name, resale value- true cost to own.

While the GT-R is a fantastic car, it's not of the same caliber of the Turbo S. People who generally aren't either in the position, or, can very comfortably buy a Turbo S, or a R8 or R10, or other car- just look at car based on 'hp/0-60 times per dollar'.

The GT-R, and ZR1 are great cars. But they don't have the same level of attention to detail, fit and finish, class or panache that the Turbo carries. Nor will they hold their value (everything depreciates and so do 911, so don't start the 'depreciation conversation') as well as a lot of other cars.

It's NOT just about HP or 0-60, or 120-0 times. Its HOW it does it. The video demonstrates how formidable and impressive the GTR is. It's an amazing car for the money.

But given that most people who spend $90k on a car are the SAME client who can spend the $175k on a car- The GTR will feel like that hot cheerleader you always wanted to bang.

But you won't want her to stick around as she's not refined, can't hold a decent conversation, and frankly, will get annoying with her cheapened appearance - While the Turbo will be from start to finish-

A Class Act.

 

Round about way of telling us middle class folk that we'll never understand because we're too poor.

Typical Porsche owner indeed.

I don't know how much HP all of the previously mentioned cars have, nor do I know what their 0-60 times are, but I do know that the GTR has a lower hp/weight ratio. Obviously hp/weight isn't the only factor that matters in speed/handling, but if you want to talk about how the GTR is faster around a track, it certainly isn't because of it's horsepower. The fact that it has a lower hp/weight ratio and is still as fast/faster than many other more expensive cars means that it is doing it in a more refined way, not just pure power.

Edit: Isn't the Turbo S faster 0-60, 0-100, and in the 1/4? Basically any distance/measurement in a straight line? Isn't one of the most common negatives about fast cars that they're only fast in a straight line (GT500 Mustangs, AMGs, etc)? Hmm...

 

I would imagine that most of the TS Members can afford to drive what they want. Guys that have that kind of jack are not going to buy the GTR, reason being Heritage behind the Company, Workmanship, Quality fit and finish. Guy's who have the money are also treated to an Overall Experience that cannot be matched by a Nissan Dealer. You pull in to service with your GTR and you have micra, altima and jukes being serviced versus pulling into service and seeing nothing but Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo's being serviced. Now that being said Nissan is known for the GTR since the earlier 90's how they have been able to extract alot of power out of those motors.

The GTR is a great car for the money! but if I had 100k to spend I would be looking a a used Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin to put in my garage.

 

Not at all. I can't afford a Turbo S however it's my business to KNOW my clients. Beyond that, most of what I just said isn't my personal opinion based on fictious data; it's from feed back from ACTUAL owners of the GTR who trade it/ sold it to get back into a Turbo or Porsche.

It's really not about me talking down to you, so please don't think that bro.


That^

 

Nothing wrong with buying a GTR...it's just not what many people like myself would choose if they have a choice.


When I need a suit I have the choice of going to a discount outlet or an Armani or Ferragamo store. They are both suits and even if I say so myself I would probably look good in either one of them.

As long as I am able to, I choose to go to the Armani or Ferragamo store and buy the real thing for the same reasons I go to the Ferrari or Porsche dealer instead of the Nissan dealer when I want a hot car. The look, the feel, the material, the fit and finish, the before and after service, the overall experience and the knowledge that I bought the top of the line instead of compromising.