F430 Scuderia or 458 Italia?
#41
It's still very accurate. I followed the market for awhile before I bought my 09 and i've observed the whole spectrum as best to my knowledge and know for a fact there tons more folks paying 190+ for no-story 09s than the 1 or 2 folks who make a compromise on ones w/ issues (be it big or small) for 10ish k less.
And like h20skier said, I'm not going to let plus/minus 10k get in my way in getting one w/ the right options and no stories.
Your 170-185 is still short for almost all of the cars you've listed, if you're really counting...so you tell me. No race stripe is a deal breaker for many btw.
And like h20skier said, I'm not going to let plus/minus 10k get in my way in getting one w/ the right options and no stories.
Your 170-185 is still short for almost all of the cars you've listed, if you're really counting...so you tell me. No race stripe is a deal breaker for many btw.
(saying this for the second or third time) you absolutely should not let 10k get in the way. If it's what YOU want I would think 10k would be trivial.
I don't know why you're so bent on proposing faulty math, so I did some basic calculations for you.
25 for sale on autotrader.com
average asking price: $195,656
% of cars at or under 185k: 32% or 8 cars. 32% or 8 out of 25 does not = "9.9 times out of 10".
Those prices are:
$185,000
$184,999
$182,988
$180,000
$179,888
$179,000
$179,000
$174,890
If your car didn't fall into that grouping, or the average, who cares? You have what you want and that's all that matters. But in terms of the market on the whole, which is the subject at hand... These are the statistics from AT.
Last edited by cstroked; 02-17-2012 at 05:20 PM.
#43
You can't just do a broad stroke read based on arbitrary numbers. Mileage, condition, color, options etc etc mean something right?
If you want to do a proper "fair market" analysis lets just hone in on a set of constants and pull up some numbers for that. e.g. Rossa Corsa Red w/ stripe, US Carbon, under 3k miles, no stories, no aftermarket, no accidents, audio, suede etc
I can tell you, of the 11 pristine, well-loaded 09 under 3k miles rosso corsa scuds I've seen sold, 10 of them went over 190. So yea, 9.9 out of 10 times is accurate to what I've seen in the past 6 months.
At the same time, I've seen 3 08s (2 black and one argento silver) all over 4k miles sell for 174, 178 and 184 respectively.
Anyways, happy hunting.
If you want to do a proper "fair market" analysis lets just hone in on a set of constants and pull up some numbers for that. e.g. Rossa Corsa Red w/ stripe, US Carbon, under 3k miles, no stories, no aftermarket, no accidents, audio, suede etc
I can tell you, of the 11 pristine, well-loaded 09 under 3k miles rosso corsa scuds I've seen sold, 10 of them went over 190. So yea, 9.9 out of 10 times is accurate to what I've seen in the past 6 months.
At the same time, I've seen 3 08s (2 black and one argento silver) all over 4k miles sell for 174, 178 and 184 respectively.
Anyways, happy hunting.
#44
You can't just do a broad stroke read based on arbitrary numbers. Mileage, condition, color, options etc etc mean something right?
If you want to do a proper "fair market" analysis lets just hone in on a set of constants and pull up some numbers for that. e.g. Rossa Corsa Red w/ stripe, US Carbon, under 3k miles, no stories, no aftermarket, no accidents, audio, suede etc
I can tell you, of the 11 pristine, well-loaded 09 under 3k miles rosso corsa scuds I've seen sold, 10 of them went over 190. So yea, 9.9 out of 10 times is accurate to what I've seen in the past 6 months.
At the same time, I've seen 3 08s (2 black and one argento silver) all over 4k miles sell for 174, 178 and 184 respectively.
Anyways, happy hunting.
If you want to do a proper "fair market" analysis lets just hone in on a set of constants and pull up some numbers for that. e.g. Rossa Corsa Red w/ stripe, US Carbon, under 3k miles, no stories, no aftermarket, no accidents, audio, suede etc
I can tell you, of the 11 pristine, well-loaded 09 under 3k miles rosso corsa scuds I've seen sold, 10 of them went over 190. So yea, 9.9 out of 10 times is accurate to what I've seen in the past 6 months.
At the same time, I've seen 3 08s (2 black and one argento silver) all over 4k miles sell for 174, 178 and 184 respectively.
Anyways, happy hunting.
For the OP: either way 100k extra for a 458 is in the eye of the beholder. Buy what moves you the most.
#45
Scuderia's are selling for more or just under 458's in Europe now. Infact very good condition 430's can be had for under 90G US in the EU. Italian super car prices plunged like 50% in the last 6months alone. Basically 2008-2010 US led the car price decline, and now 2011 onwards Europe has picked up the baton. 2012+ US high end car market will continue its decline that started in 2008. Scuderia should hold up better then most since initial supply was grossly over estimated, if resale value is of high priority to you then Scud is the better choice.
#46
A 458 will be so much more practical for so many more situations eg. going for a drive, coffee, friend's house and the drive to the track. Once at the track the Scud has some great points but the 458 is still quite a machine.
Pricing will be always subjective due to the individual options/colors of a second hand Scud.
Pricing will be always subjective due to the individual options/colors of a second hand Scud.
#47
I recomend to buy the one that you wanted most.I have some friends who are bargain buyers, and they never have the car, the model or the color they wanted, but they feel so proud about the price they payed.................Maybe 10k is the difference...........