Truth or Myth: I cannot walk into a dealership and buy a new 458.
Dec 29, 2010 | 04:30 PM
#111
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I'm always a little leary of the seems too good to be true repairs. While 4k is stupid for a fluid change I would be suspect of a guy in a shop charging $400. Some of the filters alone are $75 bucks. Oil $5-8 per quart. It adds up. I don't like 1k fluid changes either but I live with them.
The Timing belts on 360's are a good example. Some guys do them for $2k and most are about $3500-4k. Difference is you can reach in from the top and pull a belt off and put one back on. You can't properly time it when done this way. The labor alone to get the car spec'd and running correctly is the $1500 difference. Do I think it's fair? Well LOL not really. I do like my cars running perfect. I have no time for downtime. I like to do 4 things on a weekend trip. Drive, Drink, Eat and my wife. Not in that order and some go hand in hand
I have no time for a breakdown 
The Timing belts on 360's are a good example. Some guys do them for $2k and most are about $3500-4k. Difference is you can reach in from the top and pull a belt off and put one back on. You can't properly time it when done this way. The labor alone to get the car spec'd and running correctly is the $1500 difference. Do I think it's fair? Well LOL not really. I do like my cars running perfect. I have no time for downtime. I like to do 4 things on a weekend trip. Drive, Drink, Eat and my wife. Not in that order and some go hand in hand
I have no time for a breakdown But clearly there isn't 20-30 hours of labour in changing a few fluids when I can do it in 3-4...
Dec 29, 2010 | 04:38 PM
#112
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$400 parts 4 hours labor at $135hr standard shop and we are the same $940 plus tax
Dec 29, 2010 | 05:56 PM
#113
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Dec 30, 2010 | 10:55 AM
#115
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Guys having read through this thread I am shocked to say the least. I am right that in the USA a Ferrari dealer can charge you more than the MSRP for a car that you have ordered?
As in the UK and Europe that would be illegal. If they were selling you a used car or a dealer purchased car then they can charge you what they want but not on an ordered car
As in the UK and Europe that would be illegal. If they were selling you a used car or a dealer purchased car then they can charge you what they want but not on an ordered car
Dec 30, 2010 | 02:43 PM
#118
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Guys having read through this thread I am shocked to say the least. I am right that in the USA a Ferrari dealer can charge you more than the MSRP for a car that you have ordered?
As in the UK and Europe that would be illegal. If they were selling you a used car or a dealer purchased car then they can charge you what they want but not on an ordered car
As in the UK and Europe that would be illegal. If they were selling you a used car or a dealer purchased car then they can charge you what they want but not on an ordered car
Here in the Capitalistic US; MOST dealers are independently/franchised owned.
The trade off (was) is supposed to be that the US receives much higher levels of customer service. Meaning, if you tie in the employee's compensation to the clients happiness- they're supposed to do RIGHT by the client.
That fails when you employ lazy, snobby employee's.
Dec 30, 2010 | 04:02 PM
#120
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The issue is this: How do you convince the Manufacturer's how important the sales process really is? As my Boss says
"The automakers spend tens of millions of dollars, sometimes, hundreds of millions of dollars. Thousands of people involved. Thousands of hours involved developing, researching and building these cars. Millions of dollars in marketing.
And at the end of the day; it boils down to ONE salesperson on whether or not that car is sold."
And at the end of the day; it boils down to ONE salesperson on whether or not that car is sold."
I've said it before and I'll keep saying this: Auto makers want to know what's going on? Sit on the front lines with the sales people and sales managers; and you can get an idea of whats going on.
But just like any business in todays world, as long as they're making MORE $$ then losing; and you have all these layers of Cooperate Bullshit between lower and upper levels of management, they will NOT change their way of conducting business.
If more CEO's spent time at ground level, they'd have a REAL clue WTF is going on with their bottom line.