Pagani is at it again
Oct 18, 2013 | 09:07 AM
#81
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I respect you too streetrod454 and normally value your contributions. I've come to your aid in the past as well and would do it again, but I'm not going to apologize for what I wrote or back down from it. Since you admitted at the beginning of this thread that you don't care about the topic, why continue reading it and why post in it unless you're trying to shape the conversation to suit your own objectives. Don't feint like it was just a bit of humor - that's funnier than the sour joke you "apparently" tried to make.
Doesn't matter if Pagani sold this car to someone or are using it only as a demo. They shouldn't import any car to the USA with false data on a plate like that. It is deceptive and illegal. I don't have to work for the DOT to recognize that and chastise them for it. They should be very glad no one who mattered caught it.
They presented the car at Quail and told several visitors to their display that this car was the final North American configuration, fully certified for US sale. I'm disappointed that this plate didn't catch my eye when I was viewing the car as it would have changed the course of our conversation very swiftly. I wouldn't have know that the 06-10 exemption was Koenigsegg's but I am certainly aware that Pagani never received an exemption for Advanced Airbags.
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Doesn't matter if Pagani sold this car to someone or are using it only as a demo. They shouldn't import any car to the USA with false data on a plate like that. It is deceptive and illegal. I don't have to work for the DOT to recognize that and chastise them for it. They should be very glad no one who mattered caught it.
They presented the car at Quail and told several visitors to their display that this car was the final North American configuration, fully certified for US sale. I'm disappointed that this plate didn't catch my eye when I was viewing the car as it would have changed the course of our conversation very swiftly. I wouldn't have know that the 06-10 exemption was Koenigsegg's but I am certainly aware that Pagani never received an exemption for Advanced Airbags.
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When I have taken cars to the USA for tours etc technically by US laws they would have been illegal if I was wanting to import or sell them in the US. If as you say the authorities could have acted on the Pagani ID plate then why did they not act on the font of my licence plate as it was clearly illegal in the US as were many other things? As I was only ever going to be in the USA for less than a year basically I could get away with almost anything as long as I meet the criteria under which I was bringing the car in.
The same thing applies to the Pagani. The use of the word "Import" in this context is wrong. The car is effectively a tourist. Which is why I could not understand the fuss that was being made? They have broken no rules here; if they had tried to sell it on then then this would be a completely different conversation
As for the joke, yes it was, not a great one I admit but very much tongue in cheek. If some did not get it then so be it. You cannot please all the people all the time
Oct 18, 2013 | 09:15 AM
#82
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I don't have any such evidence, Street, other than the common sense to put two and two together. All due respect as well, you've presented nothing to explain away what we have seen. It would have to be an astounding coincidence, wouldn't you think? In any case, I don't expect any further evidence either way to surface. So in the end I guess you and I are both neither right nor wrong.
Oct 19, 2013 | 07:51 PM
#84
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My goodness that's terrible. Hope the guy who started the thread about the pagani frame welds doesn't see that! Did they really put a sticker over some rivots. Insert face palm here
Oct 20, 2013 | 02:58 PM
#87
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I've seen several Huayras including a few in build at the factory and this US-spec car in person at the Quail and on the road in Monterey. The face is still my least favorite part - can't get over that, even the 'Track Pack' front splitter does little to help. The craftsmanship on the other hand is first rate (except those ugly welds 
) and the details Pagani inject into their designs really make the car feel very special. The interiors can get a bit disco at times, but you can sort that out with a proper spec. I remain a bigger fan of the Zonda, especially with its normally aspirated power, but I do generally like what Pagani are doing.
As far as judging them on this - it's a real hit to their integrity in my eyes. Similar feelings to when they ran their TopGear power lap with cheater slicks. Some serious missteps that really damage my overall impression of the brand and also leave open the question of what other underhanded things they might doing that no one has yet to notice. Shame...
And that sticker looks awful, but at least it says what it should assuming they have actually satisfied the standards they were previously claiming bogus exemptions from.
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) and the details Pagani inject into their designs really make the car feel very special. The interiors can get a bit disco at times, but you can sort that out with a proper spec. I remain a bigger fan of the Zonda, especially with its normally aspirated power, but I do generally like what Pagani are doing.As far as judging them on this - it's a real hit to their integrity in my eyes. Similar feelings to when they ran their TopGear power lap with cheater slicks. Some serious missteps that really damage my overall impression of the brand and also leave open the question of what other underhanded things they might doing that no one has yet to notice. Shame...
And that sticker looks awful, but at least it says what it should assuming they have actually satisfied the standards they were previously claiming bogus exemptions from.
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Oct 20, 2013 | 03:37 PM
#88
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The quality of the machine and how the company that produces it is run are separate things...not tied to each other.
IMHO Pagani automobiles are at the top of the food in terms of quality & performance and are to be enjoyed.
IMHO Pagani automobiles are at the top of the food in terms of quality & performance and are to be enjoyed.
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Oct 20, 2013 | 04:01 PM
#89
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I can tell that crappy sticker is crappy from a picture. I love the Zonda, like the Hyura, and don't question the details. I only find the sub par sticker as a clue to the original false plaque. I'm sure the finished production product will be great
Oct 20, 2013 | 04:46 PM
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