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Old 02-03-2008, 01:52 AM
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Ok, here's the scenario..

I fold fifty five hands in a row (7-2 offsuit, etc). Finally I get pocket 8's. I am the small blind so limp in. everyone checks and J-8-2 flops. I have a set and the guy ahead of me bets all in...he has 60k, I have 33k in chips. What do I do?....oh, and Im in the 3rd day of world series of poker......and I've had 2hrs sleep in the last 3days...


































I end up calling, the guy had pocket Jacks ( so he had a set of jacks) and I go bck to the hotel packing and traumatized....
 
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:54 AM
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Ok, here's the scenario..

I fold fifty five hands in a row (7-2 offsuit, etc). Finally I get pocket 8's. I am the small blind so limp in. everyone checks and J-8-2 flops. I have a set and the guy ahead of me bets all in...he has 60k, I have 33k in chips. What do I do?....oh, and Im in the 3rd day of world series of poker......and I've had 2hrs sleep in the last 3days...

I end up calling, the guy had pocket Jacks ( so he had a set of jacks) and I go bck to the hotel packing and traumatized....
.....if you're in the small blind, you're first to act...

But besides the fact that you made that hand up, if that was the hand, I'd probably check/raise (call all in). It's a bad spot, and probably an impossible fold. You just gotta pay those jacks off there.
 

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Old 02-03-2008, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ashokn225
Sorry Peter, I don't really think that was necessarily a good hand, but just a good situation. He could have played that hand the same way with a set of 7s and you woulda stacked him only to go broke. The turn check/raise is a good move though, pretty effective. I do that often.
I guess it all comes down to knowing the type of player you're playing with. This was my home game with my friends and I know this player well. My opponent in this case was a very aggressive player and he would've at definitely raised if he hit a set to try to take the pot down right there instead of trying to maximize the pot.
 
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by peterc4c
I guess it all comes down to knowing the type of player you're playing with. This was my home game with my friends and I know this player well. My opponent in this case was a very aggressive player and he would've at definitely raised if he hit a set to try to take the pot down right there instead of trying to maximize the pot.
Yeah, maybe. Typically, you see people slow play a set, but raise with top pair top kicker. But if he was a really good player, then he may have just known he was beat, tried to take the pot down on the turn, and just gave up and called since he was committed. In that case, your turn check made the hand.
 
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:24 AM
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Another hand I remember well from that night.

I had 67 clubs. was about $15 to see the flop

flop was 267 hearts. I checked the other player bets heavy on the flop I think was $70, I called heads up praying for full house.

Turn was useless. He bets $140 to try to kick me out. I called praying again.

River was another heart, I immediately pushed all in. He has about $300 left and I covered him. He folded his 10 high flush which he hit on the flop and I showed the bluff.

Feels good every once in a long while to play to player and not the cards. Don't happen to me very often.

Threw him off for the rest of the night. 2 hands later bluffed and showed again ( had 23 suited and played the board of no pair king high almost any 2 cards would've beat me). He was a calling machine after that.
 
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:28 AM
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I end up calling, the guy had pocket Jacks ( so he had a set of jacks) and I go bck to the hotel packing and traumatized....
Ouch...one of the worst feeling to hand over your stack of chips on a set over set.

But ashokn225 has a point. How would you have a guy ahead of you if you were small blind?
 
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by peterc4c
Another hand I remember well from that night.

I had 67 clubs. was about $15 to see the flop

flop was 267 hearts. I checked the other player bets heavy on the flop I think was $70, I called heads up praying for full house.

Turn was useless. He bets $140 to try to kick me out. I called praying again.

River was another heart, I immediately pushed all in. He has about $300 left and I covered him. He folded his 10 high flush which he hit on the flop and I showed the bluff.

Feels good every once in a long while to play to player and not the cards. Don't happen to me very often.

Threw him off for the rest of the night. 2 hands later bluffed and showed again ( had 23 suited and played the board of no pair king high almost any 2 cards would've beat me). He was a calling machine after that.
Haha you shoulda probably folded the flop but nice river bet. Your implied odds are pretty high there, because you can probably stack him and have him call if you hit one of those 4 outs as long as another heart didn't come. But it's still not necessarily the right call because you're roughly 16% (about 6 to 1) and you're calling $70 into roughly (if I'm guessing right) a $100 pot, which doesn't give you the right pot odds at all. But still, nice river bet. I almost always put someone to their money when there's 4 of a suit on the board and I know they're not chasing (with like a face card of the suit), but betting out.
 
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ashokn225
Haha you shoulda probably folded the flop but nice river bet. Your implied odds are pretty high there, because you can probably stack him and have him call if you hit one of those 4 outs as long as another heart didn't come. But it's still not necessarily the right call because you're roughly 16% (about 6 to 1) and you're calling $70 into roughly (if I'm guessing right) a $100 pot, which doesn't give you the right pot odds at all. But still, nice river bet. I almost always put someone to their money when there's 4 of a suit on the board and I know they're not chasing (with like a face card of the suit), but betting out.
I know, it was a pretty stupid call and I would not have done that in a casino. It was a home game with buddies and I was way up by our table standards.

His face when I turned over those 2 clubs and the bragging rights for the next month was priceless
 
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by peterc4c
I know, it was a pretty stupid call and I would not have done that in a casino. It was a home game with buddies and I was way up by our table standards.

His face when I turned over those 2 clubs and the bragging rights for the next month was priceless
Hahah yeah I can imagine. The rush of making a sick call, or making a sick play is second to none.
 
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Old 02-03-2008, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ashokn225
.....if you're in the small blind, you're first to act...

But besides the fact that you made that hand up, if that was the hand, I'd probably check/raise (call all in). It's a bad spot,
and probably an impossible fold. You just gotta pay those jacks off there.

Ok, here's the scenario..

I fold fifty five hands in a row (7-2 offsuit, etc). Finally I get pocket 8's. I am the small blind so I limp in (check). everyone checks and J-8-2 flops.I check (getting ready to sniper the guy) I have a set and the guy ahead of me bets all in...he has 60k, I have 33k in chips. What do I do?....oh, and Im in the 3rd day of world series of poker......and I've had 2hrs sleep in the last 3days...
Why do you think this is made up hand?...Any hand is possible. Last yr the first guy busted out with pocket rockets against a guy who turned a set in the first couple minutes. Reporters interviewed him and asked him how he was feeling at the moment..lol..

You could look at the hand several ways; He was bullying (bluffing) by betting all in, using position bet, reverse psychology bet...or he really had the nuts and wanted the blinds (he put me on trip 8's and didn't want me to draw another 8 (lol). Everyone was still playing very tight (gets looser when the blinds go up-the blinds deplete your stack pretty quick) and why would he risk half of his stack at this stage of the tournament (no one wants to get kicked out-survival time).

When i say the player ahead, I mean next to act or closer to the button.


Either way, call and double up your stack or fold and stay in the tournament for another battle...
 

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