Tesla P85D
Jan 7, 2015 | 05:41 AM
#21
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BMW i8 - Model Highlights - BMW North America
A plug-in hybrid that sparks revolution in every ignition. The BMW i8 is no ordinary sports car. It's an icon of progress an extraordinary evolution of The Ultimate Driving Machine.ฎ As a all-wheel drive plug in hybrid sports car, this revolutionary vehicle combines the power of a 3-cylinder TwinPower Turbo engine and the efficiency of an all-electric motor for an exhilarating 357-hp and 420 lb-ft of torque driving experience that's every bit BMW.
Illusion and Reality
BMW i8..................................Audi TT-RS Plus............................2015 Audi TTS
3393 lb.....................................3304 lb........................................3053 lb
360 hp system...........................360 hp 5-Cyl. engine......................310 hp 4-Cyl. engine
231 hp 3-Cyl. engine
131 hp electric
118 mpg (BMW).........................28 mpg (Audi)...............................33 mpg (Audi)
$136.600..................................$57.200.......................................$48.700
30,1 mpg test............................20,5 mpg test..............................23,5 mpg test
1:15.00 Hockenheim...................1:12.96 Hockenheim......................1:15.20 (272 hp 2013 predecessors)
$136.600 and lots of technic (JPG) for the result of 7-10 mpg savings of fossil fuels, lots of understeer because of narrow front tires and has the result (BMW: .. revolution ... an icon of progress ... an extraordinary evolution of The Ultimate Driving Machine)
lap time of (Hockenheim) 1:15.00 - 1 day, 15 hours, ;-)
$54.000 Corvette C7
17,0 mpg test
1:11.50 (Hockenheim)
http://blog.motosound.de/wp-content/..._i8_2014_3.jpg
A plug-in hybrid that sparks revolution in every ignition. The BMW i8 is no ordinary sports car. It's an icon of progress an extraordinary evolution of The Ultimate Driving Machine.ฎ As a all-wheel drive plug in hybrid sports car, this revolutionary vehicle combines the power of a 3-cylinder TwinPower Turbo engine and the efficiency of an all-electric motor for an exhilarating 357-hp and 420 lb-ft of torque driving experience that's every bit BMW.
Illusion and Reality
BMW i8..................................Audi TT-RS Plus............................2015 Audi TTS
3393 lb.....................................3304 lb........................................3053 lb
360 hp system...........................360 hp 5-Cyl. engine......................310 hp 4-Cyl. engine
231 hp 3-Cyl. engine
131 hp electric
118 mpg (BMW).........................28 mpg (Audi)...............................33 mpg (Audi)
$136.600..................................$57.200.......................................$48.700
30,1 mpg test............................20,5 mpg test..............................23,5 mpg test
1:15.00 Hockenheim...................1:12.96 Hockenheim......................1:15.20 (272 hp 2013 predecessors)
$136.600 and lots of technic (JPG) for the result of 7-10 mpg savings of fossil fuels, lots of understeer because of narrow front tires and has the result (BMW: .. revolution ... an icon of progress ... an extraordinary evolution of The Ultimate Driving Machine)
lap time of (Hockenheim) 1:15.00 - 1 day, 15 hours, ;-)
$54.000 Corvette C7
17,0 mpg test
1:11.50 (Hockenheim)
http://blog.motosound.de/wp-content/..._i8_2014_3.jpg
Jan 10, 2015 | 05:48 AM
#22
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BMW i8...........................................VW Golf R Mk7
All-Wheel-Drive................................All-Wheel-Drive
6-Speed-Auto..................................6-Speed-Auto
3393 lb...........................................3260 lb
360 hp system.................................300 hp 4-Cyl. engine
231 hp 3-Cyl. - 131 hp electric
4,2 kg/hp.........................................4,9 kg/hp
118 mpg (BMW)................................33 mpg (VW)
2 seats...........................................4 seats
150 L Boot.......................................343 L Boot
$136.600........................................$37.400
30,1 mpg test..................................24,8 mpg test
4,4 sec 0-62...................................4,9 sec 0-62
1:15.00 Hockenheim.........................1:15.90 Hockenheim
1:44.29 Laguna Seca.......................(1:50.11 230 hp Golf GTI Mk7)
2015 BMW i8 Hot Lap! - 2014 Best Driver's Car Contender
youtube.com/watch?v=1-MFtwCPoVc
2015 Volkswagen GTI Hot Lap! - 2014 Best Driver's Car Contender
youtube.com/watch?v=88SQcCiatLA
Golf GTI/R Mk7 chassis was developed with help of 911 GT3 RS developers.
All-Wheel-Drive................................All-Wheel-Drive
6-Speed-Auto..................................6-Speed-Auto
3393 lb...........................................3260 lb
360 hp system.................................300 hp 4-Cyl. engine
231 hp 3-Cyl. - 131 hp electric
4,2 kg/hp.........................................4,9 kg/hp
118 mpg (BMW)................................33 mpg (VW)
2 seats...........................................4 seats
150 L Boot.......................................343 L Boot
$136.600........................................$37.400
30,1 mpg test..................................24,8 mpg test
4,4 sec 0-62...................................4,9 sec 0-62
1:15.00 Hockenheim.........................1:15.90 Hockenheim
1:44.29 Laguna Seca.......................(1:50.11 230 hp Golf GTI Mk7)
2015 BMW i8 Hot Lap! - 2014 Best Driver's Car Contender
youtube.com/watch?v=1-MFtwCPoVc
2015 Volkswagen GTI Hot Lap! - 2014 Best Driver's Car Contender
youtube.com/watch?v=88SQcCiatLA
Golf GTI/R Mk7 chassis was developed with help of 911 GT3 RS developers.
Jan 11, 2015 | 05:35 AM
#23
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Electric vs ICE Diesel
Electric...........................................Diesel
Tesla Model S...................................MB E350 BlueTec
421 hp Electric.................................252 hp Diesel
600 Nm...........................................620 Nm / 1600 Rpm
1-Speed-Transmission........................9-Speed-Automatic
4694 lb...........................................4228 lb
4,7 sec 0-62....................................6,7 sec 0-62
130 mph.........................................155 mph
118 62-0.........................................119 62-0
.................................................. ..44 mpg (MB)
.................................................. ..21 gallon Tank opt. (15 L Base)
301 Miles Range (Tesla).....................924 Miles (660 Miles) Range
37 kWh/100 Miles Customer**............32 mpg Test
230 Miles Range Customer..................672 Miles (480 Miles) Test
2.417 Miles......................................2.417 Miles
37 kWh/100 Miles..............................32 mpg Test
728 kWh Charged Battery...................65,3 gallon
894 kWh Power Grid
81,5% Efficiency*
0,1605 $/kWh..................................$3.34/gallon (av. price October 2014)
$81,070 Base Price............................$53,105 Base Price
143 $ Cost......................................252 $ cost
5,9 $/100mi Cost..............................10,4 $/100mi Cost
*Measured Efficiency:
79% BMW i3
84% Renault ZOE
** Charging a Tesla Model S Might Be Costing More Than You Think - TESLARATI.com
Does The Tesla Model S Electric Car Pollute More Than An SUV?
Germany's big newspaper - DIE WELT
Test Tesla Model S
42,4 kWh/100 Miles
Testserie Fahrtenbuch: Das winzig kleine Problem des Tesla Model S - DIE WELT
Electric...........................................Diesel
Tesla Model S...................................MB E350 BlueTec
421 hp Electric.................................252 hp Diesel
600 Nm...........................................620 Nm / 1600 Rpm
1-Speed-Transmission........................9-Speed-Automatic
4694 lb...........................................4228 lb
4,7 sec 0-62....................................6,7 sec 0-62
130 mph.........................................155 mph
118 62-0.........................................119 62-0
.................................................. ..44 mpg (MB)
.................................................. ..21 gallon Tank opt. (15 L Base)
301 Miles Range (Tesla).....................924 Miles (660 Miles) Range
37 kWh/100 Miles Customer**............32 mpg Test
230 Miles Range Customer..................672 Miles (480 Miles) Test
2.417 Miles......................................2.417 Miles
37 kWh/100 Miles..............................32 mpg Test
728 kWh Charged Battery...................65,3 gallon
894 kWh Power Grid
81,5% Efficiency*
0,1605 $/kWh..................................$3.34/gallon (av. price October 2014)
$81,070 Base Price............................$53,105 Base Price
143 $ Cost......................................252 $ cost
5,9 $/100mi Cost..............................10,4 $/100mi Cost
*Measured Efficiency:
79% BMW i3
84% Renault ZOE
** Charging a Tesla Model S Might Be Costing More Than You Think - TESLARATI.com
Does The Tesla Model S Electric Car Pollute More Than An SUV?
Germany's big newspaper - DIE WELT
Test Tesla Model S
42,4 kWh/100 Miles
Testserie Fahrtenbuch: Das winzig kleine Problem des Tesla Model S - DIE WELT
Jan 14, 2015 | 09:29 AM
#24
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Hydrogen Fuel-Cell vs ICE Diesel
Hydrogen.......................................... ...Diesel
2015 Toyota Mirai...................................MB E350 BlueTec
151 hp Electric.......................................252 hp Diesel
247 lb-ft...............................................4 60 lb-ft / 1600 Rpm
1-Speed-Transmission..............................9-Speed-Automatic
4189 lb................................................ .4228 lb
9,6 sec 0-62..........................................6,7 sec 0-62
111 mph............................................... 155 mph
.................................................. ........44 mpg (MB)
5 kg of hydrogen in 120 L Tank/2...............21 gallon Tank opt. (15 L Base)
300 Miles Range (Toyota).........................924 Miles (660 Miles) Range
$58,325 Base Price..................................$53,105 Base Price
Free fuel for three years...........................$3.34/gallon (av. price October 2014)
subsequently
$10/kg Hydrogen dispensed at the pump......$3.34/gallon (av. price October 2014)
5 kg/300 Miles........................................32 mpg Test
16,6 $/100mi Cost...................................10,4 $/100mi Cost
1-2% storage loss of Hydrogen every day, because atomic numbers 1, hydrogen (periodic table), cannot be stored without losses.
Therefore it isn't recommended to park in a small garage and switch a few days later the lights on.
To produce 1 kilogram of hydrogen from electrolysis of distilled water (70 percent efficient process) it's need 56 kilowatt-hours of electricity.
For 5 kilogram tank of hydrogen (Toyota Mirai) it's need to use 280 kilowatt-hours of electricity. 280 kilowatt-hours into the Tesla Model S - it's able to travel 800 miles.
http://www.toyota-global.com/innovat.../sec5_img1.jpg
http://www.caradvice.com.au/thumb/77...drivetrain.jpg
Hydrogen.......................................... ...Diesel
2015 Toyota Mirai...................................MB E350 BlueTec
151 hp Electric.......................................252 hp Diesel
247 lb-ft...............................................4 60 lb-ft / 1600 Rpm
1-Speed-Transmission..............................9-Speed-Automatic
4189 lb................................................ .4228 lb
9,6 sec 0-62..........................................6,7 sec 0-62
111 mph............................................... 155 mph
.................................................. ........44 mpg (MB)
5 kg of hydrogen in 120 L Tank/2...............21 gallon Tank opt. (15 L Base)
300 Miles Range (Toyota).........................924 Miles (660 Miles) Range
$58,325 Base Price..................................$53,105 Base Price
Free fuel for three years...........................$3.34/gallon (av. price October 2014)
subsequently
$10/kg Hydrogen dispensed at the pump......$3.34/gallon (av. price October 2014)
5 kg/300 Miles........................................32 mpg Test
16,6 $/100mi Cost...................................10,4 $/100mi Cost
1-2% storage loss of Hydrogen every day, because atomic numbers 1, hydrogen (periodic table), cannot be stored without losses.
Therefore it isn't recommended to park in a small garage and switch a few days later the lights on.
To produce 1 kilogram of hydrogen from electrolysis of distilled water (70 percent efficient process) it's need 56 kilowatt-hours of electricity.
For 5 kilogram tank of hydrogen (Toyota Mirai) it's need to use 280 kilowatt-hours of electricity. 280 kilowatt-hours into the Tesla Model S - it's able to travel 800 miles.
http://www.toyota-global.com/innovat.../sec5_img1.jpg
http://www.caradvice.com.au/thumb/77...drivetrain.jpg
Jan 16, 2015 | 10:22 AM
#25
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Total CO2 emissions Electric vs Diesel
United States electricity generation efficiency: 508 gCO2/kWh
United States power plant energy mix efficiency: 49% (coal, gas, petroleum products, nuclear power, regenerative energies)
Transmission lines efficiency: -6%
Low voltage transformation substation efficiency: -4%
Total efficency=0,49*0,94*0,96=0,442 ---> 44,2% efficency at the power outlet
Electric vehicle 80% efficency from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
Electric vehicle total efficiency=0,8*0,442=0,354 ---> 35%
Power consumption achieved by EV drivers: 37 kWh/100mi
Total EV CO2 emissions in California: 37 kWh/100mi * 100/35 * 508 gCO2/kWh = 53.700 gCO2/100mi (California)
Total EV CO2 emissions in cold Montana: 42 kWh/100mi * 100/35 * 508 gCO2/kWh = 60.960 gCO2/100mi (Montana + heating)
Haulage and refining of Gasoline and Diesel Well-To-Tank --> 38 gCO2/mile ---> 3.800 gCO2/100mi
Mercedes E350 BlueTec
Fuel consumption of 32 mpg, 0,117 l/mile, 0,031 gal/mile ---> 259 gCO2/mile
Total (Diesel) CO2 output/100 miles: 100 * 259 gCO2/mile + 3.800 gCO2WTT/100mi = 29.700 gCO2/100mi
Electric Vehicle: 53.700 gCO2/100mi (California)
Electric Vehicle: 60.960 gCO2/100mi (Montana + heating)
MB E350 BlueTec: 29.700 gCO2/100mi (California/Montana/Antarctic/...)
CO2 emissions for the production of an EV and E350 are similar.
Additional environmental concerns related to CO2 emissions at the production of Lithium-Ion batteries: 100 kgCO2/kWh
E.g.: 85 kWh ---> 85 kWh * 100 kgCO2/kWh = 8,5 tonsCO2
So, the EV comes at 0 Miles with 8,5 tonsCO2 carbon debt.
United States electricity generation efficiency: 508 gCO2/kWh
United States power plant energy mix efficiency: 49% (coal, gas, petroleum products, nuclear power, regenerative energies)
Transmission lines efficiency: -6%
Low voltage transformation substation efficiency: -4%
Total efficency=0,49*0,94*0,96=0,442 ---> 44,2% efficency at the power outlet
Electric vehicle 80% efficency from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
Electric vehicle total efficiency=0,8*0,442=0,354 ---> 35%
Power consumption achieved by EV drivers: 37 kWh/100mi
Total EV CO2 emissions in California: 37 kWh/100mi * 100/35 * 508 gCO2/kWh = 53.700 gCO2/100mi (California)
Total EV CO2 emissions in cold Montana: 42 kWh/100mi * 100/35 * 508 gCO2/kWh = 60.960 gCO2/100mi (Montana + heating)
Haulage and refining of Gasoline and Diesel Well-To-Tank --> 38 gCO2/mile ---> 3.800 gCO2/100mi
Mercedes E350 BlueTec
Fuel consumption of 32 mpg, 0,117 l/mile, 0,031 gal/mile ---> 259 gCO2/mile
Total (Diesel) CO2 output/100 miles: 100 * 259 gCO2/mile + 3.800 gCO2WTT/100mi = 29.700 gCO2/100mi
Electric Vehicle: 53.700 gCO2/100mi (California)
Electric Vehicle: 60.960 gCO2/100mi (Montana + heating)
MB E350 BlueTec: 29.700 gCO2/100mi (California/Montana/Antarctic/...)
CO2 emissions for the production of an EV and E350 are similar.
Additional environmental concerns related to CO2 emissions at the production of Lithium-Ion batteries: 100 kgCO2/kWh
E.g.: 85 kWh ---> 85 kWh * 100 kgCO2/kWh = 8,5 tonsCO2
So, the EV comes at 0 Miles with 8,5 tonsCO2 carbon debt.
Jan 17, 2015 | 07:30 AM
#26
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Something wrong: here the calculation with real world values from Germany 2013
Electric Vehicle:... 30.170 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
MB E350 BlueTec:. 29.700 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State/cold environment/...)
Germany 2013 electricity generation efficiency: 510 gCO2/kWh
Gross production of electricity power plant energy mix: 632,1 MkWh (coal, gas, petroleum products, nuclear power, regenerative energies)
Net consumption of electricity: 563,1 MkWh
Total efficency ---> 89% efficency
Electric vehicle 80% efficency from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
Electric vehicle total efficiency = 0,89*0,80 = 0,712 ---> 71,2%
Power consumption achieved by EV drivers: 37 kWh/100mi
Total EV CO2 emissions in Sunshine State:... 37 kWh/100mi * 100/71 * 510 gCO2/kWh ................= 26.580 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State)
Total EV CO2 emissions in cold environment: 42 (37+heater) kWh/100mi * 100/71 * 510 gCO2/kWh = 30.170 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
Mercedes E350 BlueTec
Haulage and refining of Gasoline and Diesel Well-To-Tank --> 38 gCO2/mile ---> 3.800 gCO2/100mi
Fuel consumption of 32 mpg, 0,117 l/mile, 0,031 gal/mile ---> 259 gCO2/mile
Total (Diesel) CO2 output/100 miles: 100 * 259 gCO2/mile + 3.800 gCO2WTT/100mi = 29.700 gCO2/100mi
Electric Vehicle: 26.580 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State)
Electric Vehicle: 30.170 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
MB E350 BlueTec: 29.700 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State/cold environment/...)
Electric Vehicle:... 30.170 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
MB E350 BlueTec:. 29.700 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State/cold environment/...)
Germany 2013 electricity generation efficiency: 510 gCO2/kWh
Gross production of electricity power plant energy mix: 632,1 MkWh (coal, gas, petroleum products, nuclear power, regenerative energies)
Net consumption of electricity: 563,1 MkWh
Total efficency ---> 89% efficency
Electric vehicle 80% efficency from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
Electric vehicle total efficiency = 0,89*0,80 = 0,712 ---> 71,2%
Power consumption achieved by EV drivers: 37 kWh/100mi
Total EV CO2 emissions in Sunshine State:... 37 kWh/100mi * 100/71 * 510 gCO2/kWh ................= 26.580 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State)
Total EV CO2 emissions in cold environment: 42 (37+heater) kWh/100mi * 100/71 * 510 gCO2/kWh = 30.170 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
Mercedes E350 BlueTec
Haulage and refining of Gasoline and Diesel Well-To-Tank --> 38 gCO2/mile ---> 3.800 gCO2/100mi
Fuel consumption of 32 mpg, 0,117 l/mile, 0,031 gal/mile ---> 259 gCO2/mile
Total (Diesel) CO2 output/100 miles: 100 * 259 gCO2/mile + 3.800 gCO2WTT/100mi = 29.700 gCO2/100mi
Electric Vehicle: 26.580 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State)
Electric Vehicle: 30.170 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
MB E350 BlueTec: 29.700 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State/cold environment/...)
Jan 18, 2015 | 04:37 AM
#28
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Bienvenue Munich, the i8 wasn't my idea!
BMW i8...........................................VW Golf R Mk7
$136.600........................................$37.400
1:15.00 Hockenheim Short.................1:15.90 Hockenheim Short
BMW i8...........................................VW Golf R Mk7
$136.600........................................$37.400
1:15.00 Hockenheim Short.................1:15.90 Hockenheim Short
Jan 20, 2015 | 06:45 AM
#29
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Electric vs Diesel - Alternative drives
Calculation with real world values from Germany 2013 in Euro as things stand today.
BMW i3*.................................................. ...........VW Golf 1.6 TDI BlueMotion
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34.950.................................................. ...........24.390
9,76 /100miles (warm environment).........................7,74 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
11,12 /100miles (cold environment).........................7,74 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
19.540 gCO2/100miles (warm environment)................22.600 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
22.985 gCO2/100miles (cold environment)..................22.600 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
Test range 23ฐC, easy, mixed conditions: 90 miles
Test range -7ฐC, easy, mixed conditions: 75 miles
Test range 30ฐC, dry, air con, const. 75 mph, on an oval - flat, no braking (recuperation): 49 miles
Test range 13ฐC, rain, heater, const. 75 mph, on an oval - flat, no braking (recuperation): 41 miles
Tesla Model S**.................................................. ..MB E350 BlueTec
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77,740 Base Price................................................55,216 Base Price
10,6 /100miles (warm environment).........................12,8 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
12,0 /100miles (cold environment)...........................12,8 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
21.170 gCO2/100miles (warm environment)................34.700 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
24.070 gCO2/100miles (cold environment)..................34.700 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
Test range 13ฐC, rain, heater, const. 75 mph, on an oval - flat, no braking (recuperation): 161 miles
$81,070 Base Price................................................$53,105 Base Price
5,9 $/100miles (warm environment)..........................10,4 $/100miles Cost (0,1605 $/kWh - $3.34/gallon)
6,7 $/100miles (cold environment)...........................10,4 $/100miles Cost
*BMW i3 calculation
i3 Electric vs Golf Diesel customer cost view calculation with real world values from Germany 2013 in Euro
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BMW i3.................................................. ............VW Golf 1.6 TDI BlueMotion
34.950.................................................. ...........24.390
102 hp av. Electric (170 hp peak)............................110 hp Diesel
184 ft-lb (250 Nm)................................................184 ft-lb (250 Nm / 1500-3000 Rpm)
1-Speed-Transmission...........................................7-Speed-Automatic
2800 lb (1270kg).................................................2835 lb (1286kg/AMS test)
7,2 sec 0-62.................................................. ....10,5 sec 0-62
94 mph.................................................. ...........125 mph
12,9 kWh/100km NEFZ..........................................73 mpg (3,2 L/100km) NEFZ
14-17 kWh/100km realistic (BMW)
119 Miles NEFZ Range (BMW)..................................976 Miles NEFZ Range
90 Miles realistic Range
17 kWh/100km ---> 27,2 kWh/100miles
27,2 kWh/100miles warm........................................53 mpg test (7,0 L/100miles)
31,0 kWh/100miles cold..........................................53 mpg test (7,0 L/100miles)
21,6 kWh Battery .................................................13,2 gallon / 50 L Tank
100 Miles realistic Range (BMW)...............................710 Miles Test Range
~80% Efficiency from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
34,0 kWh/100miles warm taken from the power grid.....53 mpg test (4,4 L/100km)
38,7 kWh/100miles cold taken from the power grid.......53 mpg test (4,4 L/100km)
0,287 /kWh.................................................. .....1.10 /Liter
9,76 /100miles warm............................................7,74 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
11,12 /100miles cold............................................7,74 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
Elektroautos: So lange halten Tesla, BNMW und Co. wirklich durch
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CO2 Emissionen i3 Electric vs Golf Diesel
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Effizienz im Strommix Deutschland 2013: 510 gCO2/kWh
Bruttostromerzeugung in 2013 632,1 Mrd. kWh
Nettostromverbrauch 563,1
Wirkungsgrad 89%
Germany 2013 electricity generation efficiency: 510 gCO2/kWh
Gross production of electricity power plant energy mix: 632,1 MkWh (coal, gas, petroleum products, nuclear power, regenerative energies)
Net consumption of electricity: 563,1 MkWh
Total efficency ---> 89% efficency
Electric vehicle 80% efficency from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
Electric vehicle total efficiency = 0,8*0,89 = 0,712 ---> 71,2%
Power consumption acc. to BMW (warm): 27,2 kWh/100miles
Total EV CO2 emissions warm: 27,2 kWh/100mi * 100/71 * 510 gCO2/kWh = 19.540 gCO2/100miles (warm)
Total EV CO2 emissions cold: 31,0 kWh/100mi * 100/71 * 510 gCO2/kWh = 22.270 gCO2/100miles (cold environment)
Golf 1.6 TDI BlueMotion
Haulage and refining of Gasoline and Diesel Well-To-Tank --> 38 gCO2/mile ---> 3.800 gCO2/100mi
Fuel consumption of 53 mpg, 0,0704 l/mile, 0,0185 gal/mile ---> 188 gCO2/mile
Total (Diesel) CO2 output/100 miles: 100 * 188 gCO2/mile + 3.800 gCO2WTT/100mi = 22.600 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
Tesla Model S calculation***
Tesla Model S Electric vs MB E350 BlueTec customer cost view calculation with real world values from Germany 2013 in Euro
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Tesla Model S.................................................. ..MB E350 BlueTec
77,740 Base Price.............................................55,216 Base Price
421 hp Electric..................................................252 hp Diesel
442 lb-ft (600 Nm).............................................457 lb-ft (620 Nm / 1600 Rpm)
1-Speed-Transmission.........................................9-Speed-Automatic
4694 lb.................................................. ..........4228 lb
4,7 sec 0-62.................................................. ...6,7 sec 0-62
130 mph.................................................. ........155 mph
118 62-0.................................................. ........119 62-0
.................................................. ....................44 mpg (MB)
.................................................. ...................21 gallon Tank opt. (15 L Base)
301 Miles Range (Tesla).......................................924 Miles (660 Miles) Range
894 kWh for 2.417 Miles Power Grid (Tesla Cust.)
37 kWh/100miles Customer power Grid....................32 mpg Test (7,3 L/100 km)
30,1 kWh/100miles electric motor use.....................32 mpg Test
728 kWh Charged Battery.....................................65,3 gallon
81,5% Efficiency
230 Miles Range Customer.....................................672 Miles (480 Miles) Test
0,287 /kWh.................................................. ....1.10 /Liter
10,6 /100miles..................................................12,8 /100miles
42 (37+5 Heater) kWh/100miles (cold environment)
12,0 /100miles (cold environment).........................12,8 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
in $
0,1605 $/kWh.................................................. ...$3.34/gallon (av. price October 2014)
5,9 $/100miles (warm environment).........................10,4 $/100miles Cost
6,7 $/100miles (cold environment)...........................10,4 $/100miles Cost
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/auto/merc...enue-1.1977043
Charging a Tesla Model S Might Be Costing More Than You Think - TESLARATI.com
CO2 Emissionen Tesla Model S Electric vs MB E350 BlueTec
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Germany 2013 electricity generation efficiency: 510 gCO2/kWh
Gross production of electricity power plant energy mix: 632,1 MkWh (coal, gas, petroleum products, nuclear power, regenerative energies)
Net consumption of electricity: 563,1 MkWh
Total efficency ---> 89% efficency
81,5% Tesla Model S achieved efficency by customers from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
Tesla Model S total efficiency = 0,89*0,815 = 0,712 ---> 72,5%
Power consumption achieved by EV drivers from the grid: 37 kWh/100miles - 30,1 kWh/100miles net
Total Model S CO2 emissions in Sunshine State: 37 kWh/100miles * 100/89 * 510 gCO2/kWh ............= 21.170 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State)
Total EV CO2 emissions in cold environment: 42 (37+heater) kWh/100miles * 100/89 * 510 gCO2/kWh = 24.070 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
Mercedes E350 BlueTec
Haulage and refining of Gasoline and Diesel Well-To-Tank --> 38 gCO2/mile ---> 3.800 gCO2/100mi
Fuel consumption of 32 mpg, 0,117 l/mile, 0,031 gal/mile ---> 309 gCO2/mile
Total (Diesel) CO2 output/100 miles: 100 * 309 gCO2/mile + 3.800 gCO2WTT/100mi = 34.700 gCO2/100mi
Tesla Model S: 21.170 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State)
Tesla Model S: 24.070 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
MB E350 BlueTec: 34.700 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State/cold environment/...)
Calculation with real world values from Germany 2013 in Euro as things stand today.
BMW i3*.................................................. ...........VW Golf 1.6 TDI BlueMotion
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34.950.................................................. ...........24.390
9,76 /100miles (warm environment).........................7,74 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
11,12 /100miles (cold environment).........................7,74 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
19.540 gCO2/100miles (warm environment)................22.600 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
22.985 gCO2/100miles (cold environment)..................22.600 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
Test range 23ฐC, easy, mixed conditions: 90 miles
Test range -7ฐC, easy, mixed conditions: 75 miles
Test range 30ฐC, dry, air con, const. 75 mph, on an oval - flat, no braking (recuperation): 49 miles
Test range 13ฐC, rain, heater, const. 75 mph, on an oval - flat, no braking (recuperation): 41 miles
Tesla Model S**.................................................. ..MB E350 BlueTec
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77,740 Base Price................................................55,216 Base Price
10,6 /100miles (warm environment).........................12,8 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
12,0 /100miles (cold environment)...........................12,8 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
21.170 gCO2/100miles (warm environment)................34.700 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
24.070 gCO2/100miles (cold environment)..................34.700 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
Test range 13ฐC, rain, heater, const. 75 mph, on an oval - flat, no braking (recuperation): 161 miles
$81,070 Base Price................................................$53,105 Base Price
5,9 $/100miles (warm environment)..........................10,4 $/100miles Cost (0,1605 $/kWh - $3.34/gallon)
6,7 $/100miles (cold environment)...........................10,4 $/100miles Cost
*BMW i3 calculation
i3 Electric vs Golf Diesel customer cost view calculation with real world values from Germany 2013 in Euro
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BMW i3.................................................. ............VW Golf 1.6 TDI BlueMotion
34.950.................................................. ...........24.390
102 hp av. Electric (170 hp peak)............................110 hp Diesel
184 ft-lb (250 Nm)................................................184 ft-lb (250 Nm / 1500-3000 Rpm)
1-Speed-Transmission...........................................7-Speed-Automatic
2800 lb (1270kg).................................................2835 lb (1286kg/AMS test)
7,2 sec 0-62.................................................. ....10,5 sec 0-62
94 mph.................................................. ...........125 mph
12,9 kWh/100km NEFZ..........................................73 mpg (3,2 L/100km) NEFZ
14-17 kWh/100km realistic (BMW)
119 Miles NEFZ Range (BMW)..................................976 Miles NEFZ Range
90 Miles realistic Range
17 kWh/100km ---> 27,2 kWh/100miles
27,2 kWh/100miles warm........................................53 mpg test (7,0 L/100miles)
31,0 kWh/100miles cold..........................................53 mpg test (7,0 L/100miles)
21,6 kWh Battery .................................................13,2 gallon / 50 L Tank
100 Miles realistic Range (BMW)...............................710 Miles Test Range
~80% Efficiency from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
34,0 kWh/100miles warm taken from the power grid.....53 mpg test (4,4 L/100km)
38,7 kWh/100miles cold taken from the power grid.......53 mpg test (4,4 L/100km)
0,287 /kWh.................................................. .....1.10 /Liter
9,76 /100miles warm............................................7,74 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
11,12 /100miles cold............................................7,74 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
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CO2 Emissionen i3 Electric vs Golf Diesel
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Effizienz im Strommix Deutschland 2013: 510 gCO2/kWh
Bruttostromerzeugung in 2013 632,1 Mrd. kWh
Nettostromverbrauch 563,1
Wirkungsgrad 89%
Germany 2013 electricity generation efficiency: 510 gCO2/kWh
Gross production of electricity power plant energy mix: 632,1 MkWh (coal, gas, petroleum products, nuclear power, regenerative energies)
Net consumption of electricity: 563,1 MkWh
Total efficency ---> 89% efficency
Electric vehicle 80% efficency from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
Electric vehicle total efficiency = 0,8*0,89 = 0,712 ---> 71,2%
Power consumption acc. to BMW (warm): 27,2 kWh/100miles
Total EV CO2 emissions warm: 27,2 kWh/100mi * 100/71 * 510 gCO2/kWh = 19.540 gCO2/100miles (warm)
Total EV CO2 emissions cold: 31,0 kWh/100mi * 100/71 * 510 gCO2/kWh = 22.270 gCO2/100miles (cold environment)
Golf 1.6 TDI BlueMotion
Haulage and refining of Gasoline and Diesel Well-To-Tank --> 38 gCO2/mile ---> 3.800 gCO2/100mi
Fuel consumption of 53 mpg, 0,0704 l/mile, 0,0185 gal/mile ---> 188 gCO2/mile
Total (Diesel) CO2 output/100 miles: 100 * 188 gCO2/mile + 3.800 gCO2WTT/100mi = 22.600 gCO2/100mi (warm, cold environment)
Tesla Model S calculation***
Tesla Model S Electric vs MB E350 BlueTec customer cost view calculation with real world values from Germany 2013 in Euro
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Tesla Model S.................................................. ..MB E350 BlueTec
77,740 Base Price.............................................55,216 Base Price
421 hp Electric..................................................252 hp Diesel
442 lb-ft (600 Nm).............................................457 lb-ft (620 Nm / 1600 Rpm)
1-Speed-Transmission.........................................9-Speed-Automatic
4694 lb.................................................. ..........4228 lb
4,7 sec 0-62.................................................. ...6,7 sec 0-62
130 mph.................................................. ........155 mph
118 62-0.................................................. ........119 62-0
.................................................. ....................44 mpg (MB)
.................................................. ...................21 gallon Tank opt. (15 L Base)
301 Miles Range (Tesla).......................................924 Miles (660 Miles) Range
894 kWh for 2.417 Miles Power Grid (Tesla Cust.)
37 kWh/100miles Customer power Grid....................32 mpg Test (7,3 L/100 km)
30,1 kWh/100miles electric motor use.....................32 mpg Test
728 kWh Charged Battery.....................................65,3 gallon
81,5% Efficiency
230 Miles Range Customer.....................................672 Miles (480 Miles) Test
0,287 /kWh.................................................. ....1.10 /Liter
10,6 /100miles..................................................12,8 /100miles
42 (37+5 Heater) kWh/100miles (cold environment)
12,0 /100miles (cold environment).........................12,8 /100miles (warm, cold environment)
in $
0,1605 $/kWh.................................................. ...$3.34/gallon (av. price October 2014)
5,9 $/100miles (warm environment).........................10,4 $/100miles Cost
6,7 $/100miles (cold environment)...........................10,4 $/100miles Cost
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CO2 Emissionen Tesla Model S Electric vs MB E350 BlueTec
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Germany 2013 electricity generation efficiency: 510 gCO2/kWh
Gross production of electricity power plant energy mix: 632,1 MkWh (coal, gas, petroleum products, nuclear power, regenerative energies)
Net consumption of electricity: 563,1 MkWh
Total efficency ---> 89% efficency
81,5% Tesla Model S achieved efficency by customers from power outlet to electric motor (high-voltage battery, power electronics unit, voltage converter, ...)
Tesla Model S total efficiency = 0,89*0,815 = 0,712 ---> 72,5%
Power consumption achieved by EV drivers from the grid: 37 kWh/100miles - 30,1 kWh/100miles net
Total Model S CO2 emissions in Sunshine State: 37 kWh/100miles * 100/89 * 510 gCO2/kWh ............= 21.170 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State)
Total EV CO2 emissions in cold environment: 42 (37+heater) kWh/100miles * 100/89 * 510 gCO2/kWh = 24.070 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
Mercedes E350 BlueTec
Haulage and refining of Gasoline and Diesel Well-To-Tank --> 38 gCO2/mile ---> 3.800 gCO2/100mi
Fuel consumption of 32 mpg, 0,117 l/mile, 0,031 gal/mile ---> 309 gCO2/mile
Total (Diesel) CO2 output/100 miles: 100 * 309 gCO2/mile + 3.800 gCO2WTT/100mi = 34.700 gCO2/100mi
Tesla Model S: 21.170 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State)
Tesla Model S: 24.070 gCO2/100mi (cold environment, heating required)
MB E350 BlueTec: 34.700 gCO2/100mi (Sunshine State/cold environment/...)
