I am pretty sure that much to the chagrin of German auto fans, they are well on their way.

Again, their major issues came from the DuoSelect transmissions which have been out of production since 08. The occasional electric gremlin is a different animal.

Like I have said before, I would be happy to list all of the Porsche horror stories I came across when I worked at a dealership, but it's like a Ford vs Chevy debate. Fan boys will be fan boys.


I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with.

 

not a fanboy comment,
but it takes more than a few years of consecutive models with good reliability before such a past is left behind.

 

Well, one can hope mate, but that's not going to be the case. Sorry. The market treats Porsche VERY well compared to Maserati.

Also your numbers are pure speculation when we have REAL numbers on Maserati chassis right now. The only person it'll be worth more to, is you. Not a dealer, wholesaler or a 3rd party.

 

I didn't mean that you were a fanboy, but that there are fanboys will who read and would argue until blue in the face.

Completely agree - they've only been back in the market since 04. Long way to go

I also find it pointless to compare these two cars. Italian cars have soul. Porsches have the personality of a rock.

I still think you're missing what Steve is saying - he bought at a depreciated price therefore the price he gets will be less of a loss to him than if he bought new. Mathematically it works out. Do new Maseratis perform as well as new Porsches in depreciation? Absolutely not.

 

No, I completely understand what Steve is saying. but it's NOT apples to apples. You can't conveniently dismiss the cars original MSRP just to arbitrarily make the depreciation better on a car. Sure he will fair better then someone who bought it new; but that's still not a real comparison of depreciation.

Go MSRP to MSRP and how old the car is (in this case we're using a 4 year comparison) and w/o any doubt the Porsche will hold a better value % wise compared to it's original MSRP.

You know this.

 

People aren't bored of the 911 or they wouldn't sell 10's of 1000's a year of the model.

I agree about this being a fantastic move.
Not remotely close. Maserati has always had it's own "high end" following. VW doesn't have a "high end" client based on that $80k sedan fiasco.
I don't think they will compete in the least.

This appears to be a lightweight car with a big engine. It's different. It's new. It will make a splash and if it performs as a 2600lb 495hp car should it will be outstanding in my book. I'd love to have a car made by Maserati vs those POS Loti of which I can't stand.
While they say it's a 991 competitor it really isn't for the base models.

Italian car fans don't want Porsches. Reference about 50,000 posts on Fchat. The guys would rather a $40k 328 over a $100k 991 9 days a week. See Alex's post below.

Ferrari badge is about 50% of the customer base concern. Ferrari Spa sells 6000 plus units a year. Make insane profits and don't care 1 bit about the used market other than it creates intrigue into their new car market.

Used F430's will sell just as well if not more as it will give a teaser as to what the 430 engine/chassis is all about with an entirely new market of owners.

While I love Porsches beyond any other car the typical Ferrari owner could give 2 craps about any Porsche used or new off the line. It's about the badge that the typical Ferrari owner believes is above all other cars. No questions asked.

99 of 100 328 owners will tell you their car is more sought after and better than any new generation 911. They can't see past the badge. It's sad.
My perceived view of the Maserati's having a Ferrari engine is I'd guess what 95% of Ferrari owners feel.

We don't remember they have the engines in them. It doesn't discount Ferrari a bit it makes Maserati a better vehicle. It also keeps Ferrari costs down LOL because they utilize the massive engine factory to produce both.

So I know as fact that "we" as Ferrari owners could give a crap if Maserati's rock the engines. It's a non-issue in the Ferrari world.
IMHO Maserati's horrid resale has been wrapped directly around their tranny and other body issues. Not unlike Mercedes and the gray hairs complaining about everything from a rattle on bumpy roads to an ash tray problem ruining their lives.


When you have high end clients you have high end Bitching and Moaning. It's the nature of the beast.

If Maserati builds a lightweight to compete against Lotus I would spend triple for an Italian go-kart vs that POS lumpy ride horrid thing called a Lotus. Plus the Maserati in those pictures looks great.



I sure hope they build one. They look great.

 

In steps Audi to this conversation


Audi had a horrid time for years. Now they've a huge fan base and great following.


Plus their engines year after year (Lemans this weekend) are proven racecars now. This will just continue to build a solid year after year customer base.

 

Mark while I appreciate your retort; here in the States, Maserati trade in/ wholesale numbers would say otherwise. I suspect Maserati will see a definately up- tick in that when the new products are released; but I've never seen a Maserati hold its value as well as say, a 997 when it's an apples to apples comparision. But like you said, due to the transmission/fit finish and dealer (lack of) support- those have contributed almost wholly to the horrible resale value.

Maserati, Range Rover, Jag, and Aston all suffered huge depreciation.

Porsche surely hasn't been clear of that guilt either with the 996 chassis and when the 997's had incentives. However Porsche CPO sales have enjoyed a very healthy run over the last few years, and I've seen both 996 AND 997 values stabilize and on certain models increase in value.

Once Maserati comes out with NEW Products that are fresh, clean and exciting the values will increase as well (for the newer chassis).

Now stop trolling and go drive your Porsche!

 

If maserati could make something similar in performance & feel to a 360 CS that would be fantastic.

 

I didn't want to come across like the Maserati Quatro doesn't make Mercedes look like good resale. I totally agree with you.

I just feel they got hammered by their shit tranny and cars hitting the dealers more than the Hookers do.

Italian blood runs deep tho. Way deep and after 4-5 years of non tranny issues these cars will make a come back.

Remember their dealer networks are tiny as well. It's hard to sell a car for $140k to a customer 100's of miles from a dealer. It's just too tough with problems. So this also hurts typical resale as well.


Crap there are Porsche dealers on every corner.....dime a dozen really....