991 GT3 rs?
#71
My concern then would be the 960.
The 918 is a fast, but heavy pig. If the 997.2 GT2RS had a PDK, it would have been faster than the current 458 and 12C. If Porsche puts the same amount of engineering know-how into the 991 GT2RS as the rest of the upcoming GT models, it will be knocking on the door of the 918 (if not beating it) performance-wise, and I'm not sure where that will leave the 960.
But I hope you're right, and there will be a new 991(.2?)GT2RS, and its not a dumbed-down, underpowered version in order to make the 960 & 918 justify their pricing structure.
The 918 is a fast, but heavy pig. If the 997.2 GT2RS had a PDK, it would have been faster than the current 458 and 12C. If Porsche puts the same amount of engineering know-how into the 991 GT2RS as the rest of the upcoming GT models, it will be knocking on the door of the 918 (if not beating it) performance-wise, and I'm not sure where that will leave the 960.
But I hope you're right, and there will be a new 991(.2?)GT2RS, and its not a dumbed-down, underpowered version in order to make the 960 & 918 justify their pricing structure.
The 918 will surprise a lot of people and remember it is not just about out and out speed .
the tech in the car is ungodly . they will have to sell more than la fez or p1 to make back their money . i think the margins are tighter . It is a top of the range all round product .
Porsche are doing a terrible job of explaining/selling this car even though they have more orders now than either p1 or el fez .
they are very happy with sales and very confident in the breadth of the 918s abilities and reliability long term . i think they have plans with the owners long term if you get my hint ...
they have paid a lot of attention to cooling of battery and " constant " power hence a lot of the weight . Now hearing p1 is 1400kg dry its not as far away as i thought .
apparently the 4wd has had " everything thrown at it " and combined with an " extremely low centre of gravity " the car handles amazingly well . imagine a gtr , mid engined with fantastic aero and 850 hp ( minimum) and you are close .
i do know it has had every single heat , crash , safety , cold , endurance and longevity test that even a standard production car goes through (unlike the competition apparently ) . The batteries are constantly charging and all the electric power can be unleashed in colossal doses due to the 4wd , torque vectoring etc etc .
In short they were confident they had the all round , anytime usable package .
plus it literally has every creature comfort , full sat nav , removable roof , down to cruise control .
In some ways this is the car thats appealing to me now out of those 3 . I fear the others may be one trick ponies when im actually more likely to use something like this on a cross european tour ( roof off in the sun , 4wd in the wet ) than bomb around a racetrack at speeds too fast for everyone else . 918 may not be the fastest around a track ( compared to elferrari and p1) but real world / weather a to b pace , reliability and multitasking the 918 probably does better than the other two .
the more i talk to them the more i get the feeling they know something we dont ...
not so much a carrera gt replacement but something to sit along side her , a different concept .
after all they " made the best naturally aspirated , raw , manual supercar why should we make it again ?"
going to blag a drive soon .
the 960 will not ultimately be as fast , it certainly wont be the technical showcase the 918 is but it will do the job in a different manner .
The gt2/rs will be the fastest of the 911 variants as it has always been but the price ,the engine layout , characteristics , exclusivity , exotic vs raw nature etc will be enough to differentiate them ( 960 and gt2)from each other even though some of the performance parameters will be very close .
Thats exacly my fear..the weakest element here will disappear quickly from the radars then..although wtdoom said there will be aGT2 and GT2RS..I still dont believe in it. One thing Im quite sure of - all three will not happen. Especially the GT2...was in 996 and 997 series an "underperformer" in sales..if there would be a 960..who would buy for 1000$ less a GT2..? Doesnt make sense...
We will see..
We will see..

Last edited by wtdoom; Mar 15, 2013 at 03:27 PM.
#74
My understanding is , as of a few months ago not everything is/was decided on this car .
What looks very likely is a carbon chassis/tub . There is no manual option , the engine will either be a turbo 6 / 8 cylinder or a variation of the 918's v8 ( apparently bean counters favour the turbo for fear of upsetting the 918 buyers and because of emissions and costs poo )the turbo is the more likely engine .
Im sorry I dont have much for you .
What looks very likely is a carbon chassis/tub . There is no manual option , the engine will either be a turbo 6 / 8 cylinder or a variation of the 918's v8 ( apparently bean counters favour the turbo for fear of upsetting the 918 buyers and because of emissions and costs poo )the turbo is the more likely engine .
Im sorry I dont have much for you .
#75
HI wtdoom,
Ok thanks for the info..interesting insights you have there. Personally I would still opt for the P1 - also since it has less then half of the 918 production numbers..
OK..lets hope that the "horses mouth" is correct then..
Ok thanks for the info..interesting insights you have there. Personally I would still opt for the P1 - also since it has less then half of the 918 production numbers..
OK..lets hope that the "horses mouth" is correct then..

#76
hello gents 4.0 will have quoted figure of 500hp ( conservative) , no manual box and will be released soon after the gt3 in current planning .
there will be a gt2 and a gt2rs .
the 918 will sit above it in the range with a good spec will come in at " well over " 200k gbp .
there will be a gt2 and a gt2rs .
the 918 will sit above it in the range with a good spec will come in at " well over " 200k gbp .
So it looks like no manual or the RS? Thanks for your info!
#77
My understanding is , as of a few months ago not everything is/was decided on this car .
What looks very likely is a carbon chassis/tub . There is no manual option , the engine will either be a turbo 6 / 8 cylinder or a variation of the 918's v8 ( apparently bean counters favour the turbo for fear of upsetting the 918 buyers and because of emissions and costs poo )the turbo is the more likely engine .
Im sorry I dont have much for you .
What looks very likely is a carbon chassis/tub . There is no manual option , the engine will either be a turbo 6 / 8 cylinder or a variation of the 918's v8 ( apparently bean counters favour the turbo for fear of upsetting the 918 buyers and because of emissions and costs poo )the turbo is the more likely engine .
Im sorry I dont have much for you .





