A Bad Day at Sebring with Chin, Poor GT3 RS!
#51
03-29-2011 | 09:03 PM
Teamspeed Rookie
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4
Setting the record straight.
First of all both drivers are fine and the accident looks far worse than it actually is.
All of it, is body damage and none structural. That's the positive thing on the other hand it's not cheap.
Now lets get to what really happened and stop speculating all the nonsense that is posted here and everywhere else. I have been driving for over 10 years all tough I am not a pro I'm experienced and faster than most. The accident had nothing to do with experience or inexperience. The brake pads had been changed with pads that had sufficient material to finish the day without being too low. So the pad theory is out of the window there was nothing wrong with the pads. What did go wrong is the following unless someone can explain it differently is a combination of factors the first being; in any order was Hoosiers or any slick, Green Pagid Pads aggressive initial bite, PCCB's a very hot day and lots of rubber from the 12 hours of Sebring allowed for some pretty good grip. As I arrived to turn 17 at almost 150MPH I get on the brakes hard and trail brake which I have done 1000s of times but this particular day the ABS Must have gone nuts because as I got on the brakes the pedal got extremely hard and the car did not slow down, as if the ABS said there is no way that this car can decelerate that quickly and went into this mode thinking that the tires were locking up and quickly released brake pressure and stiffened the pedal. However I did have time to release and reapply pressure a few times, but the same result took place, at that time the car had slowed a bit. but the wall was getting closer very quickly so a last effort to rotate the car resulted in understeer that scrubbed some speed before, I went under the first set of tire wall which is the reason the roof and deck lid is damaged. And NO IT DID NOT ROLL OVER. and hit the second tire wall just before the bridge.
So now the speculation can stop and smarter comments can begin.
All of it, is body damage and none structural. That's the positive thing on the other hand it's not cheap.
Now lets get to what really happened and stop speculating all the nonsense that is posted here and everywhere else. I have been driving for over 10 years all tough I am not a pro I'm experienced and faster than most. The accident had nothing to do with experience or inexperience. The brake pads had been changed with pads that had sufficient material to finish the day without being too low. So the pad theory is out of the window there was nothing wrong with the pads. What did go wrong is the following unless someone can explain it differently is a combination of factors the first being; in any order was Hoosiers or any slick, Green Pagid Pads aggressive initial bite, PCCB's a very hot day and lots of rubber from the 12 hours of Sebring allowed for some pretty good grip. As I arrived to turn 17 at almost 150MPH I get on the brakes hard and trail brake which I have done 1000s of times but this particular day the ABS Must have gone nuts because as I got on the brakes the pedal got extremely hard and the car did not slow down, as if the ABS said there is no way that this car can decelerate that quickly and went into this mode thinking that the tires were locking up and quickly released brake pressure and stiffened the pedal. However I did have time to release and reapply pressure a few times, but the same result took place, at that time the car had slowed a bit. but the wall was getting closer very quickly so a last effort to rotate the car resulted in understeer that scrubbed some speed before, I went under the first set of tire wall which is the reason the roof and deck lid is damaged. And NO IT DID NOT ROLL OVER. and hit the second tire wall just before the bridge.
So now the speculation can stop and smarter comments can begin.
#53
03-29-2011 | 09:18 PM
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Joined: May 2008
Posts: 211
From: Florida
Thank goodness you are okay. Sebring is a tough track and turn 17 notoriously difficult. I can only imagine the amount of rubber on the track after the 12hr. I was there a couple of weeks prior and just from testing days there was lots of rubber.
I'm glad you came on to clear up the speculation. Kudos to you and best of luck getting it all sorted out.
I'm glad you came on to clear up the speculation. Kudos to you and best of luck getting it all sorted out.
#54
03-29-2011 | 10:02 PM
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Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 235
As I arrived to turn 17 at almost 150MPH I get on the brakes hard and trail brake which I have done 1000s of times but this particular day the ABS Must have gone nuts because as I got on the brakes the pedal got extremely hard and the car did not slow down, as if the ABS said there is no way that this car can decelerate that quickly and went into this mode thinking that the tires were locking up and quickly released brake pressure and stiffened the pedal.
#55
03-29-2011 | 10:07 PM
Teamspeed Rookie
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 11
Mach01, glad to hear that you are ok, from your description it sounds like you experienced the dreaded "Ice Pedal" on the GT3 
well, ABS Ice Mode finally got me... - Rennlist Discussion Forums
Hope that you get back on the horse soon.
well, ABS Ice Mode finally got me... - Rennlist Discussion Forums
Hope that you get back on the horse soon.
Last edited by 2slow2speed; 03-29-2011 at 10:08 PM. Reason: fix typo
#58
03-29-2011 | 11:14 PM
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,463
From: Singapore
First of all both drivers are fine and the accident looks far worse than it actually is.
All of it, is body damage and none structural. That's the positive thing on the other hand it's not cheap.
Now lets get to what really happened and stop speculating all the nonsense that is posted here and everywhere else. I have been driving for over 10 years all tough I am not a pro I'm experienced and faster than most. The accident had nothing to do with experience or inexperience. The brake pads had been changed with pads that had sufficient material to finish the day without being too low. So the pad theory is out of the window there was nothing wrong with the pads. What did go wrong is the following unless someone can explain it differently is a combination of factors the first being; in any order was Hoosiers or any slick, Green Pagid Pads aggressive initial bite, PCCB's a very hot day and lots of rubber from the 12 hours of Sebring allowed for some pretty good grip. As I arrived to turn 17 at almost 150MPH I get on the brakes hard and trail brake which I have done 1000s of times but this particular day the ABS Must have gone nuts because as I got on the brakes the pedal got extremely hard and the car did not slow down, as if the ABS said there is no way that this car can decelerate that quickly and went into this mode thinking that the tires were locking up and quickly released brake pressure and stiffened the pedal. However I did have time to release and reapply pressure a few times, but the same result took place, at that time the car had slowed a bit. but the wall was getting closer very quickly so a last effort to rotate the car resulted in understeer that scrubbed some speed before, I went under the first set of tire wall which is the reason the roof and deck lid is damaged. And NO IT DID NOT ROLL OVER. and hit the second tire wall just before the bridge.
So now the speculation can stop and smarter comments can begin.
All of it, is body damage and none structural. That's the positive thing on the other hand it's not cheap.
Now lets get to what really happened and stop speculating all the nonsense that is posted here and everywhere else. I have been driving for over 10 years all tough I am not a pro I'm experienced and faster than most. The accident had nothing to do with experience or inexperience. The brake pads had been changed with pads that had sufficient material to finish the day without being too low. So the pad theory is out of the window there was nothing wrong with the pads. What did go wrong is the following unless someone can explain it differently is a combination of factors the first being; in any order was Hoosiers or any slick, Green Pagid Pads aggressive initial bite, PCCB's a very hot day and lots of rubber from the 12 hours of Sebring allowed for some pretty good grip. As I arrived to turn 17 at almost 150MPH I get on the brakes hard and trail brake which I have done 1000s of times but this particular day the ABS Must have gone nuts because as I got on the brakes the pedal got extremely hard and the car did not slow down, as if the ABS said there is no way that this car can decelerate that quickly and went into this mode thinking that the tires were locking up and quickly released brake pressure and stiffened the pedal. However I did have time to release and reapply pressure a few times, but the same result took place, at that time the car had slowed a bit. but the wall was getting closer very quickly so a last effort to rotate the car resulted in understeer that scrubbed some speed before, I went under the first set of tire wall which is the reason the roof and deck lid is damaged. And NO IT DID NOT ROLL OVER. and hit the second tire wall just before the bridge.
So now the speculation can stop and smarter comments can begin.
#59
03-30-2011 | 12:45 AM
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Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 11
Thank God you are here today and able to talk about it. It sucks about the car and I'm sure you are reliving the experience in your head and trying to figure out what you could have done to avoid it. You experience may have saved you and your passengers life. In time your car will be on the track for better days. You experience may help the rest of us learn from this incident.
I hate seeing these incidents because not one of us wants to ever experience them. If you feel up to discussing any questions, I have one. Do you think the steel brakes are safer than the PCCB'S ? It seems Porsche only wants OEM pads on the cars with PCCB brakes and any others are not recommended.
I hate seeing these incidents because not one of us wants to ever experience them. If you feel up to discussing any questions, I have one. Do you think the steel brakes are safer than the PCCB'S ? It seems Porsche only wants OEM pads on the cars with PCCB brakes and any others are not recommended.
#60
03-30-2011 | 07:45 AM
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Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4
Thank God you are here today and able to talk about it. It sucks about the car and I'm sure you are reliving the experience in your head and trying to figure out what you could have done to avoid it. You experience may have saved you and your passengers life. In time your car will be on the track for better days. You experience may help the rest of us learn from this incident.
I hate seeing these incidents because not one of us wants to ever experience them. If you feel up to discussing any questions, I have one. Do you think the steel brakes are safer than the PCCB'S ? It seems Porsche only wants OEM pads on the cars with PCCB brakes and any others are not recommended.
I hate seeing these incidents because not one of us wants to ever experience them. If you feel up to discussing any questions, I have one. Do you think the steel brakes are safer than the PCCB'S ? It seems Porsche only wants OEM pads on the cars with PCCB brakes and any others are not recommended.
Tire size was the same as stock.