Just drove the GT2RS
Oct 6, 2010 | 04:27 PM
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actually there's hope. he was talking specifically about the fixed bucket seats from the Carrera GT. he did mention that for markets like the US, they have the regular carbon buckets (the ones that fold forward)... and i believe they can accommodate larger frames
Oct 6, 2010 | 05:19 PM
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people seem to like the red
here's one more
and the pair again
as for driving impressions...
well, MAJOR caveat here: i didn't get to try the car on a test track, and unfortunately, the roads around Stuttgart on a Monday morning are not exactly traffic free. so while there were opportunities to take it to redline on some backroads and the autobahn a couple times, its pretty hard to get a full picture of such a powerful car on public roads.
with that being said...
the most striking thing about the car has to be how it truly is such a capable jack-of-all-trades. saying that it is track focused, yet can be used everyday seems to the litany that Porsche spurts out ad nauseam about their "GT" cars, but it seems they've taken it to yet another level here.
the car is really easy to drive on the street, and rides at least as well as the current GT3RS. ok fine, so the clutch is still on the heavy side, but it felt lighter than on a regular GT2 (based on how i remember the GT2's,) and lighter too than my 997.1 GT3. i particularly noticed-- and liked-- the clutch's engagement point. you know how there's some cars where the clutch bites early near the bottom of the pedal travel, and there's some where it bites late, towards the top of the travel. the test car's clutch stuck out in my mind as having the most perfect bite point of any 911 i've ever tried. for those wondering, "my" GT2RS (the silver one in my photos) had 11,000+ kms on the clock.
can someone confirm whether the GT3RS is rose jointed? Preuninger clearly says in my video that the GT2RS has rose jointed suspension. if this car is that way, and the GT3RS uses more rubber in the suspension, then that simply underlines what a hell of a job Porsche has done on the 2RS, for it to ride as well as it does.
as far as the power goes... ok, yes its obviously very fast. but truth be told, i don't think you can really notice the diff between a GT2 and this car at "sane" speeds on public roads. i actually attempted to do a 60-130 VBox run in the car, but the autobahn section I was on simply didn't allow that, unfortunately! it didn't feel much faster than a stock GT2, nor did it feel much slower than my RT12. which is simply to say that for cars at this level, my butt dyno isn't sensitive enough to tell the difference, given the limited driving conditions.
what i DID notice, is how healthy the torque curve is. from say, just below 3k RPM even in the higher gears, prodding the throttle results in a near instantaneous slug of torque. not saying that the car goes ballistic immediately, but you definitely feel nice quick pedal response, and virtually none of that "wait for it-- ah there's the boost" effect that you sometimes get with certain high output turbo motors.
Preuninger makes a lot out of how close this engine gets to the emotion of a normally aspirated motor. IMO its still quite a ways off from a sweet high revving motor in terms of pure feel, but... yes the motor in the GT2RS did somehow feel more "alive" or more... "alert" (?) than other turbocharged flat-sixes. its not a night & day thing though, vs the regular GT2's.
i can't comment on the handling unfortunately, for reasons already mentioned. the car steered just like a regular GT2 at the speeds we were driving at. so i can't with honesty say i felt the benefits of all the weight savings, as that sort of thing shows up on track or on a nice clear winding route.
in all other respects, the car is like a regular GT2. interior, exhaust note, etc. that's good or bad, depending on your POV.
so, to summarize (and i'm afraid there's nothing here you wouldn't already have read before):
PRO'S:
CON'S:
a good friend of mine is trying to decide whether to sell his GT2 and upgrade to a 2RS (the transaction would entail having to pay an additional $US160k NET of his GT2's selling price). now the fella does have the money, so the question is... "is it worth it"?
if i were exactly in his place... I'd probably do it.
here's one more
and the pair again
as for driving impressions...
well, MAJOR caveat here: i didn't get to try the car on a test track, and unfortunately, the roads around Stuttgart on a Monday morning are not exactly traffic free. so while there were opportunities to take it to redline on some backroads and the autobahn a couple times, its pretty hard to get a full picture of such a powerful car on public roads.
with that being said...
the most striking thing about the car has to be how it truly is such a capable jack-of-all-trades. saying that it is track focused, yet can be used everyday seems to the litany that Porsche spurts out ad nauseam about their "GT" cars, but it seems they've taken it to yet another level here.
the car is really easy to drive on the street, and rides at least as well as the current GT3RS. ok fine, so the clutch is still on the heavy side, but it felt lighter than on a regular GT2 (based on how i remember the GT2's,) and lighter too than my 997.1 GT3. i particularly noticed-- and liked-- the clutch's engagement point. you know how there's some cars where the clutch bites early near the bottom of the pedal travel, and there's some where it bites late, towards the top of the travel. the test car's clutch stuck out in my mind as having the most perfect bite point of any 911 i've ever tried. for those wondering, "my" GT2RS (the silver one in my photos) had 11,000+ kms on the clock.
can someone confirm whether the GT3RS is rose jointed? Preuninger clearly says in my video that the GT2RS has rose jointed suspension. if this car is that way, and the GT3RS uses more rubber in the suspension, then that simply underlines what a hell of a job Porsche has done on the 2RS, for it to ride as well as it does.
as far as the power goes... ok, yes its obviously very fast. but truth be told, i don't think you can really notice the diff between a GT2 and this car at "sane" speeds on public roads. i actually attempted to do a 60-130 VBox run in the car, but the autobahn section I was on simply didn't allow that, unfortunately! it didn't feel much faster than a stock GT2, nor did it feel much slower than my RT12. which is simply to say that for cars at this level, my butt dyno isn't sensitive enough to tell the difference, given the limited driving conditions.
what i DID notice, is how healthy the torque curve is. from say, just below 3k RPM even in the higher gears, prodding the throttle results in a near instantaneous slug of torque. not saying that the car goes ballistic immediately, but you definitely feel nice quick pedal response, and virtually none of that "wait for it-- ah there's the boost" effect that you sometimes get with certain high output turbo motors.
Preuninger makes a lot out of how close this engine gets to the emotion of a normally aspirated motor. IMO its still quite a ways off from a sweet high revving motor in terms of pure feel, but... yes the motor in the GT2RS did somehow feel more "alive" or more... "alert" (?) than other turbocharged flat-sixes. its not a night & day thing though, vs the regular GT2's.
i can't comment on the handling unfortunately, for reasons already mentioned. the car steered just like a regular GT2 at the speeds we were driving at. so i can't with honesty say i felt the benefits of all the weight savings, as that sort of thing shows up on track or on a nice clear winding route.
in all other respects, the car is like a regular GT2. interior, exhaust note, etc. that's good or bad, depending on your POV.
so, to summarize (and i'm afraid there's nothing here you wouldn't already have read before):
PRO'S:
- drivability: lovely clutch feel, great torque curve
- everyday usability: for a car designed for the track, and arguably better on-track than cars even a price class above it, it truly can live on the road w/o compromises (other than chin clearance)
- power: basically you're top dog, unless you run into some crazy modded P-car, Lambo or GTR
CON'S:
- nothing on the inside to differentiate from lesser 911's (the two-tone scheme doesn't count in my book, as I'd never have my car with that);
- power: half of the TS population seems to own some crazy modded P-car, Lambo, or other!
a good friend of mine is trying to decide whether to sell his GT2 and upgrade to a 2RS (the transaction would entail having to pay an additional $US160k NET of his GT2's selling price). now the fella does have the money, so the question is... "is it worth it"?
if i were exactly in his place... I'd probably do it.
