GT3 RS does low 7:30 in traffic at the Ring
Oct 28, 2009 | 12:48 PM
#21
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Hmmmm. I love the GT3 RS and everything it represents. However, the ZR1 weighs about 200 lbs more than the GT3 RS, it has fade-free carbon brakes, comparable high-speed handling, and a far superior power to weight ratio. My feeling is that whether its a one lap, four lap, ten lap or twenty lap race between the ZR1 and the GT3 RS, the vette is going to win every time, easily. With that being said, I would still rather have a GT3 RS.
Nov 2, 2009 | 05:47 PM
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Hmmmm. I love the GT3 RS and everything it represents. However, the ZR1 weighs about 200 lbs more than the GT3 RS, it has fade-free carbon brakes, comparable high-speed handling, and a far superior power to weight ratio. My feeling is that whether its a one lap, four lap, ten lap or twenty lap race between the ZR1 and the GT3 RS, the vette is going to win every time, easily. With that being said, I would still rather have a GT3 RS.
Every car has its own Nürburgring feeling. When you ride the course with a GT-R comparing to a GTxx it feels easy and save on every part of the course. It doesn't feel like a challenge it is more a ride because the systems help a lot and after a while you get easy closer and closer to the limits of the car. With a Porsche normaly you stay away from this limits. The Nordschleife is more a challenge for supension and other chassis parts.
I know the driver from Weissach who drove the 7:33 with the new GT3 RS and he is as quick as WR - perhaps a bit faster. I believe he is the fastest driver on the Nordschleife with street Porsche, because he is the guy who tested all the tires on the GTx cars in the last years and he and WR where the only drivers who were faster without SC/TC on the Nordschleife. He explained me that the big sucess (>60%) comes from the tires. He told me that he would have a comparison between ZR1, GT-R and GT3 RS over 6 rounds and he is sure that the Porsche will win.
Btw: A CGT with up to date tires will be much quicker then in the test a few years ago.
Nov 2, 2009 | 06:18 PM
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I don't know if you ever have been on the Nürburgring, but I can tell you that the performance on that course is not just a question of brakes, or power to weight ratio. I personaly drive about a hundred laps every year there with my 997 GT2.
Every car has its own Nürburgring feeling. When you ride the course with a GT-R comparing to a GTxx it feels easy and save on every part of the course. It doesn't feel like a challenge it is more a ride because the systems help a lot and after a while you get easy closer and closer to the limits of the car. With a Porsche normaly you stay away from this limits. The Nordschleife is more a challenge for supension and other chassis parts.
I know the driver from Weissach who drove the 7:33 with the new GT3 RS and he is as quick as WR - perhaps a bit faster. I believe he is the fastest driver on the Nordschleife with street Porsche, because he is the guy who tested all the tires on the GTx cars in the last years and he and WR where the only drivers who were faster without SC/TC on the Nordschleife. He explained me that the big sucess (>60%) comes from the tires. He told me that he would have a comparison between ZR1, GT-R and GT3 RS over 6 rounds and he is sure that the Porsche will win.
Btw: A CGT with up to date tires will be much quicker then in the test a few years ago.
Every car has its own Nürburgring feeling. When you ride the course with a GT-R comparing to a GTxx it feels easy and save on every part of the course. It doesn't feel like a challenge it is more a ride because the systems help a lot and after a while you get easy closer and closer to the limits of the car. With a Porsche normaly you stay away from this limits. The Nordschleife is more a challenge for supension and other chassis parts.
I know the driver from Weissach who drove the 7:33 with the new GT3 RS and he is as quick as WR - perhaps a bit faster. I believe he is the fastest driver on the Nordschleife with street Porsche, because he is the guy who tested all the tires on the GTx cars in the last years and he and WR where the only drivers who were faster without SC/TC on the Nordschleife. He explained me that the big sucess (>60%) comes from the tires. He told me that he would have a comparison between ZR1, GT-R and GT3 RS over 6 rounds and he is sure that the Porsche will win.
Btw: A CGT with up to date tires will be much quicker then in the test a few years ago.
Nov 2, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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lol..... I was thinking the same thing!
Nov 2, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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Nov 3, 2009 | 05:01 AM
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Hope to meet you again in the Eifel next season
BTW I fully agree with your observation regarding driving a GTx Porsche at the limit on the Nordschleife. There are two categories of drivers who dare to do this: Pros like W.R. (and even he admitted that a 997 GT2 scares him slightly due to the crazy speed this car can do at Kesselchen...) - the second category (wild amateurs) usually ends up in the Hatzenbach armco.
That's why all these internet chats about NoS laptimes claimed by the factories is pretty irrelevant for real life performance in the hands of an experienced amateur MHO. Laptimes at Hockenheim or other modern GP circuits provide more relevant data for the amateur as it's much easier to explore the car's limit there without the magnetic armco known from the Eifel roller coaster.
Having said that modern GP circuits don't do it for me - I'm addicted to the Nordschleife. And a GTx Porsche driven there at 95% is much more fun than 100% at Hockenheim.
May the off season be over soon....
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