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Old 10-23-2009, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by yearone
Clearly none of you actually race as tagging the back of a car that you are much faster than is one thing but he didn't put him off whilst I would have been furious about being put in the wall on the straight. Bergmeister was way out of line on this one and should have every penalty coming to him, he pushed him into the wall on purpose in a straight drag race to the line, unbelievably bad driving.
sorry to disagree and I have several years of races with a handful at Laguna as well
"tagging back of car that your are much faster than" Clearly he wasn't MUCH faster than Jorge. After hours of racing he's still behind him. With half a$$ moves on several occasions. This wasn't a case of tagging by mistake it was a Punt. The good driving was Jorge. Jan's only move was to get him off the track and he failed.
Jan drove like an a$$ most of the race in frustration and his inability to pass the as you state "car he was much faster than" caused this incident. Racing at Pro levels is insane and very frustrating trying to figure out how to get by guys at your ability or above. Here's a post from a Corvette Forum that also talks about Jan......Found it very interesting that it ended up on a Porsche Forum. Without this last ditch Punt Jan had NO chance of Passing the Porsche. No way. He knew it and GOT everything he deserved in the end.

Hi Guys,

First let me say that Jan is the only driver on the Chevy team that came to congratulate us last race for out qualifying the Factory team. He is a class act.

He is also one tough driver .

First incident in pit out lane: the rule is there because there are always cars coming out of the pits and they have to travel around past turn 2 to enter the track. So driving 4 wheels into that lane is just asking for trouble. If there was a car coming out of the pits then, it would have been really bad for them.

Let me also say that in practice (yes practice) there was only one car that constantly hit us (yes hit us) or shoved our corvette into the dirt and they were the Corvette factory cars. Even when we were waiving them by, they would brush us or squeeze us. even at Atlanta, on the long straight as we were passing them they squeezed our driver (on video) against the grass for some reason.
I can only assume that the drivers were "Instructed" to intimidate us so we might be off our game and not repeat the Atlanta qualifying scenario.

No other cars on the track do that. Not to us and not to the others. Just the factory Corvette team. (must be the foreigners)

At any rate, at Laguna, which is Government owned, they did not want to move the inside pit wall toward the paddock to widen the exit of the pits to make room for the flagger's stand at start finish. So they pushed the pit wall toward the track side. so the pit wall curves toward the track side. If you look at the video, you will see that if you run within inches of the pit wall and stay totally straight on your steering, you WILL hit the part of the wall that is pushed toward the track side.

This is a common crash at Laguna. It would not require the 45 car to do anything for this crash to happen.

If you look at the video, you will see that Jan sees the wall coming and he turns to the right to avoid the wall. Bergmeister just provided the pivot that turned the Corvette to the right.
The Porsche then touches his brakes to avoid the Corvette as it crosses in front of the 45 car. The porsche just got out of the way and let the Corvette continue across the track and unfortunately into the wall. Thankfully Jan was ok because the hit was not a dead straight hit but rather a glancing blow to the wall.

Now to turn 11, the last turn. Jan is a hard racer. He saw that he was not going to be able to pass him cleanly so he released his brakes and actually accelerated into the Porsche with the intention of spinning him.

The contact only wiggled the Porsche enough to cause a drag race against the pit wall. "A wall that has a curve in it that protrudes toward the track side.

Once they were an inch away from the wall and an inch away from each other, there was no other outcome that could be had without the Corvette or Porsche giving up and lifting. And this was a high contact sport for some laps.
And to ask the porsche to lift and hand over the just after the Porsche got tagged intentionally and cleaqrly smashed in the rear by Jan, would be asking a racer too much.

So that is the way I see it. The Corvette drivers are getting a reputation as the "dirty" drivers in the series. When Johnny O pushed the Porsche into the gravel earlier, it was considered a good thing by the team. "Rah rah rah, good job" is what came over their radio.


So there you have it. You reap what you sow and if you rough drive too much, this kind of thing WILl happen more often.

Oh, and during the race, we lost a few laps for a couple of reasons, and bad calls on our part but while we were on track, our #28 car was hit in the door by the #3 car really hard in turn 9, while trying to let them by. and again in turn 2, they drove across my right front splitter and bumper. Weird!

Thanks

Lou Gigliotti
 
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Old 10-23-2009, 10:33 AM
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Jan should have been issued a stop and go penalty after he used the pit lane to pass, not just give up the position; then it would have been over right then and there. I believe the Porsche had an additional 25lbs of weight added to their car because of some cylinder issue violation, so that played a small part in having what appeared to be a slightly slower car. Remember the Corvette team was allowed to finish the season with Gt1 specs. Next year, they will have to de-tune that monster V-8, so it should be interesting.
 
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
Jan should have been issued a stop and go penalty after he used the pit lane to pass, not just give up the position; then it would have been over right then and there. I believe the Porsche had an additional 25lbs of weight added to their car because of some cylinder issue violation, so that played a small part in having what appeared to be a slightly slower car. Remember the Corvette team was allowed to finish the season with Gt1 specs. Next year, they will have to de-tune that monster V-8, so it should be interesting.
I agree on the Stop and Go. I actually didn't know they were allowed to finish with GT1 specs. Makes him look even worse. The Years of dominating a 2 car GT1 Class for Jan and the boys seem to be over
 
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