Teamspeed First Drive: Porsche Panamera GTS
Jan 29, 2012 | 08:55 PM
#21
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Joined: Mar 2009
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Thanks Wolverine, I am in a really weird spot. The Targa lease is coming due in 9 months. I not much of a leaser but the deal was too good to pass up let alone the fact that its been a blessing since having not 1 but 2 accidents since purchase - one rear end other parking lot SUV backed into my parked ride. I having been a huge fan of the M5 since the e39 and even went all the way to spain to drive the new F10 hanging out with similar minded fans. Its a faster car, a better car in every way and they are even releasing it in 6MT, literally a dream for me. But something is just stopping me from pulling the trigger and that thing is called a sports car/991.
Can't seem to justify getting an M5 and then never getting a 911 - I think I will go crazy. I use to say there always has to be an M5 in my driveway now I am thinking there always has to be a 911 (991). I am not in the mood right now (1st baby coming yadyad) to buy both an M5 and a 991. So been hearing about the wonderful new 335 also coming in MT as a great every day car and the 991 as the sporty fun one. This way I get my DD that I can pick up clients in and nobody makes a fuss about it being a "Porsche" etc. and keep my 991 for the fun days to and from the office where there is limited client interaction.
Its amazing how much attention the Cayenne already gets from all so the Panamera is a little too much; weird how common place BMW's are that customers don't say anything ...M5 or 335. I am sure you feel the same like you abandoned the brand after so many years of ownership (I can relate) but for some odd reason I am not lusting this M5, would have considered a 535 or 550 but they don't bring them in MT (in Canada) and still want to stick with that tranny until I grow out of it.
Congrats on the GTS and thanks for listening..
Joe
Can't seem to justify getting an M5 and then never getting a 911 - I think I will go crazy. I use to say there always has to be an M5 in my driveway now I am thinking there always has to be a 911 (991). I am not in the mood right now (1st baby coming yadyad) to buy both an M5 and a 991. So been hearing about the wonderful new 335 also coming in MT as a great every day car and the 991 as the sporty fun one. This way I get my DD that I can pick up clients in and nobody makes a fuss about it being a "Porsche" etc. and keep my 991 for the fun days to and from the office where there is limited client interaction.
Its amazing how much attention the Cayenne already gets from all so the Panamera is a little too much; weird how common place BMW's are that customers don't say anything ...M5 or 335. I am sure you feel the same like you abandoned the brand after so many years of ownership (I can relate) but for some odd reason I am not lusting this M5, would have considered a 535 or 550 but they don't bring them in MT (in Canada) and still want to stick with that tranny until I grow out of it.
Congrats on the GTS and thanks for listening..
Joe
I had kind of the same situation with my highly modified Cayman and M5. Then I sold the Cayman and bought a race car. I really miss the street Porsche on those sunny days...
Feb 6, 2012 | 01:49 PM
#25
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A Turbo is a turbo, nothing to take away from that. But the GTS is a lot of car for less money. Better interior. It's perfect for a daily, especially in the US where you can't really push a TT too many places.
Feb 14, 2012 | 01:23 AM
#26
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Joined: May 2008
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From: California USA
Walter Röhrl in the Porsche Panamera GTS at the Ascari Race Track - YouTube
walter rohrl @ Ascari in GTS
walter rohrl @ Ascari in GTS
Mar 31, 2012 | 06:43 PM
#27
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Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 7,647
From: Munich,Germany
Thanks Wolverine, I am in a really weird spot. The Targa lease is coming due in 9 months. I not much of a leaser but the deal was too good to pass up let alone the fact that its been a blessing since having not 1 but 2 accidents since purchase - one rear end other parking lot SUV backed into my parked ride. I having been a huge fan of the M5 since the e39 and even went all the way to spain to drive the new F10 hanging out with similar minded fans. Its a faster car, a better car in every way and they are even releasing it in 6MT, literally a dream for me. But something is just stopping me from pulling the trigger and that thing is called a sports car/991.
Can't seem to justify getting an M5 and then never getting a 911 - I think I will go crazy. I use to say there always has to be an M5 in my driveway now I am thinking there always has to be a 911 (991). I am not in the mood right now (1st baby coming yadyad) to buy both an M5 and a 991. So been hearing about the wonderful new 335 also coming in MT as a great every day car and the 991 as the sporty fun one. This way I get my DD that I can pick up clients in and nobody makes a fuss about it being a "Porsche" etc. and keep my 991 for the fun days to and from the office where there is limited client interaction.
Its amazing how much attention the Cayenne already gets from all so the Panamera is a little too much; weird how common place BMW's are that customers don't say anything ...M5 or 335. I am sure you feel the same like you abandoned the brand after so many years of ownership (I can relate) but for some odd reason I am not lusting this M5, would have considered a 535 or 550 but they don't bring them in MT (in Canada) and still want to stick with that tranny until I grow out of it.
Congrats on the GTS and thanks for listening..
Joe
Can't seem to justify getting an M5 and then never getting a 911 - I think I will go crazy. I use to say there always has to be an M5 in my driveway now I am thinking there always has to be a 911 (991). I am not in the mood right now (1st baby coming yadyad) to buy both an M5 and a 991. So been hearing about the wonderful new 335 also coming in MT as a great every day car and the 991 as the sporty fun one. This way I get my DD that I can pick up clients in and nobody makes a fuss about it being a "Porsche" etc. and keep my 991 for the fun days to and from the office where there is limited client interaction.
Its amazing how much attention the Cayenne already gets from all so the Panamera is a little too much; weird how common place BMW's are that customers don't say anything ...M5 or 335. I am sure you feel the same like you abandoned the brand after so many years of ownership (I can relate) but for some odd reason I am not lusting this M5, would have considered a 535 or 550 but they don't bring them in MT (in Canada) and still want to stick with that tranny until I grow out of it.
Congrats on the GTS and thanks for listening..
Joe
Mar 31, 2012 | 11:09 PM
#28
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Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 32
Honestly, I have to say that the Panamera GTS is in a completely different class from the M5. I'm a big BMW fan, but the GTS is simply a higher level of development in terms of performance and luxury. Yes, it's a bit more expensive, but after having driven the E60 M5 for 130,000 miles, and spent a lot of time analyzing every F10 M5 review, and having been in a number of cars, I am convinced.
The M5 is the top of the line 5-series. It is an amazing, remarkable car, and probably the fastest 4-door sedan on the planet. But the GTS is at a different level in terms of three areas:
1. Handling. I predict even though the cars weigh the same, and the M5 has a 130 HP advantage, the GTS is just as quick on most racetracks. The only way that happens is if GTS is handling at another level. Testing has it running close to 1.2g on the skidpad and a couple mph quicker through the slalom with relatively crappy tires compared to the Michelin Pilot Sports on the M5. The latest track test has it running within a few tenths of the M5 at Hockenheim with the Panamera tested in less than ideal conditions. Future runs will probably show the cars are relatively equal, or the Panny is quicker. As was recently stated in Autoweek:
"The body control on the GTS is second to none in sports sedans, and very few sports cars.' Cornering control is 'freakish'.
2. Interior. The Panamera interior is probably the best of any luxury car, and the GTS is one of, if not the best interiors I've seen in any Panamera. Someone commented that with the extra $15,000, you could upgrade the M5 interior to the Panamera. You couldn't. You'd just have a 5-series interior that someone spent a lot of money on.
3. Exterior. I've never seen the response to a car that I've gotten with the GTS. I've only had it a week, and every day at least two people stop me to tell me what a beautiful car it is. Two Dad's with families were surrounding the car when I returned and asked 'is it ok if we take pictures?'. The car may not have the best lines from certain angles, but it looks like an exotic sports car. The M5 looks like a modified and tricked-out 5-series. Very tasteful and subtle, but simply no comparison to the impact the GTS has on the road.
Sound. The best part of the car. With Sports Plus the shifting quickens and the sound symposers and exhaust valves open up to create this monster roar from the engine through the exhaust in Brrrrrraaaap!!...Brrrrraaaaaapppp! rev matching under braking. It will scare you the first time you hear it. It's like somebody stuck their foot on you gas pedal and gave us a few blips before shutting down.
The M5 is the top of the line 5-series. It is an amazing, remarkable car, and probably the fastest 4-door sedan on the planet. But the GTS is at a different level in terms of three areas:
1. Handling. I predict even though the cars weigh the same, and the M5 has a 130 HP advantage, the GTS is just as quick on most racetracks. The only way that happens is if GTS is handling at another level. Testing has it running close to 1.2g on the skidpad and a couple mph quicker through the slalom with relatively crappy tires compared to the Michelin Pilot Sports on the M5. The latest track test has it running within a few tenths of the M5 at Hockenheim with the Panamera tested in less than ideal conditions. Future runs will probably show the cars are relatively equal, or the Panny is quicker. As was recently stated in Autoweek:
"The body control on the GTS is second to none in sports sedans, and very few sports cars.' Cornering control is 'freakish'.
2. Interior. The Panamera interior is probably the best of any luxury car, and the GTS is one of, if not the best interiors I've seen in any Panamera. Someone commented that with the extra $15,000, you could upgrade the M5 interior to the Panamera. You couldn't. You'd just have a 5-series interior that someone spent a lot of money on.
3. Exterior. I've never seen the response to a car that I've gotten with the GTS. I've only had it a week, and every day at least two people stop me to tell me what a beautiful car it is. Two Dad's with families were surrounding the car when I returned and asked 'is it ok if we take pictures?'. The car may not have the best lines from certain angles, but it looks like an exotic sports car. The M5 looks like a modified and tricked-out 5-series. Very tasteful and subtle, but simply no comparison to the impact the GTS has on the road.
Sound. The best part of the car. With Sports Plus the shifting quickens and the sound symposers and exhaust valves open up to create this monster roar from the engine through the exhaust in Brrrrrraaaap!!...Brrrrraaaaaapppp! rev matching under braking. It will scare you the first time you hear it. It's like somebody stuck their foot on you gas pedal and gave us a few blips before shutting down.
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