ECB was saying that whenever a new model out, people complain for awhile but end up loving it. On another forum an elderly member expressed how even some people were saying the 911 in 1969 was the death of the 911 because of the wheelbase stretch.

When the 996 came out, everybody was certain it was the death. It was ugly, uninspired, shared the same front end as the Boxster, and utilized cost cutting techniques suggested by Toyota. However, when the 997 came out in 2004, everybody yet again complained how it is too luxurious to be a true 911, and is no where near as focused as the 996. And what's up with that clock on the dashboard!? Plus, compared to the 996, it looks awkward, and big. The 996 had a much more aggressive look. However, the 997 went on to be one of the greatest 911s in history in the hearts of many.

(If you don't believe that was said about the 997 look on forums that were around during the debut and see for yourself)

Now the same thing is happening with the 991. A new 911 yet again. It actually seems for the most part people love the 991, but there are a lot saying how stupid Porsche is for extending the wheelbase, hiding the engine, all their fuel saving techniques, and how they bleed you dry with all the optional extras.

Though I'm not in love with the 991 (I prefer the 997), I don't hate it. I think it's a great looking car, and it sounds awesome. It's just that I like the more conservative, compact, and intimate design and feel of the 997.

Hasn't increasing profits been a philosophy of Porsche since they first opened. Actually hasn't it been a philosophy of nearly every business imaginable?

 

well said my friend!

 

You don't need to have driven a 991 to have an opinion on the motor -- it's been available since 2009 in everything from the Cayman to the 911 Turbo -- and yes, I've driven multiple vehicles utilizing that motor...

 

Thanks for the long-winded post but I can read what ECB was saying for myself. Comparing the complete removal of a race inspired Metzger motor for a cheaper non dry-sump, non race-capable motor is not in any way comparable to some of the other changes you listed which had some sort of performance improvement to go along with them...In regards to the 996 things you listed - who knows where you were going with that as the 996 is still rather universally panned other than the 996 GT3...

Furthermore, I never said the 991 is the "death" of the 911. I think they'll sell a ton of them - likely more than they ever have before. It appears to be a wonderful street car.

However, for years we've heard - "the Cayenne" gave Porsche to profits to be able to make the "GT3's" and "the Panamera" the "GT2's". Those days are currently over. Every car in Porsche's lineup is now designed to make maximum profits and other than possible one off cars like the 918 - I foresee not a single 911 of this generation ever being even close to collectible.

My argument is quite simple really - they currently don't make a car that you can pick up on a Euro delivery and thrash at the ring. If you use your Porsche mainly for picking up your Starbucks there's never been a better time to buy one.

 

I understand what you're saying, but do yourself a favor and calm down about the death of the Mezger. It has had it's run, and now it's over. The new GT3 is no where near out yet, so stop complaining.

And if I recall most racing series require dry sump, so I'm sure for the GT3 the 9A1 will be heavily modified.

But referencing your main argument about the 'ring thrashers, when the 997 came out, it was the same exact story for a few years until the GT3 came out. So I don't really understand your argument about the whole Starbucks thing, because based on your logic, isn't that what the 997 would be for too?

When the 991 GT3 comes out, that should conclude your argument, no?

And just curious, did you have the same argument on the debut of the 997 as well, because if you didn't this conversation is completely pointless.

BTW, https://teamspeed.com/forums/gt/6413...-want-see.html

 

They do read these forums. Where have you been?

 

So say they bring back the Metzger engine. So what? Are we all going to be 'wow'ed and in 'awe' of your epic driving skills on the track? Your amazing ability to get all that Metzger power to the ground? Mid corner darkies, followed by flames coming out of the exhaust flying down the back straight?

FFS man, as a wise man once said "Cry me a river!" -Justin Timberlake

 

That's irrelevant ....but I'll definitely be wowed that I can drive my 911 around the ring' following delivery or at Road America once I'm back in the states and then comfortably drive it back home without worrying about the engine blowing or having to take extended breaks on the sidelines between runs...

 

Yeah, because every 9A1 car I know of that has driven at a track day before has spontaneously combusted at least once in it's life...

 

hopeless case,..