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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 11:40 AM
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It would have never worked.

Just ask Mazda.
 

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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JCay
I switched out to the GT3-RSR EPS a while back, and I can say with certainty that there is absolutely no noticeable difference to the hydraulic unit, except for the sound (which sounds space-age and awesome).
Based on my understanding - they're not even close to the same system. One uses an electric pump to pump hydraulic fluid (e.g. the RSR) maintaining a pure manual system. The other doesn't use hydraulic fluid at all and uses electric motors to drive the wheel based on software...
 
Old Jan 17, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by STOPPIE
I'm still shocked that in 2012 people STILL aren't aware that if weren't for the Cayenne project, Porsche wouldn't be around. The Panamera (close your eyes if you don't wanna read this) is the MOST successful Porsche in Porsche history.

Tis what it is....But this announcement is a move in the right direction.
Porsche would still be here if they hadn't made the Cayenne. Worst case they would have been bought out by VAG much earlier than the union the two are attempting now...
 
Old Jan 17, 2012 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by destaccado
Based on my understanding - they're not even close to the same system. One uses an electric pump to pump hydraulic fluid (e.g. the RSR) maintaining a pure manual system. The other doesn't use hydraulic fluid at all and uses electric motors to drive the wheel based on software...

see zee picture for yerrr viewing pleasure
 
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 12:31 PM
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She aint drive by wire. There still be mechanical stuff...
 
Old Jan 17, 2012 | 02:27 PM
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Okay, so Porsche thinks making a light weight affordable, fun, fast and pure roadster is "brand dilution", but they think building two SUVs and two 4 door sedans is perfectly fine.

I'm sure you know better than I do STOPPIE, but I just don't get all the hate for this project. Even though I'm sure the one thing they had in mind with this car is profit, I would much rather see them get profit off of a small sports car than a big 4 door. I think another SUV and smaller Panamera will do much more damage to the image than a small roadster would.

But no matter, Porsche is still a fantastic brand. And now with the 997, and soon the 987 gone, I'm sure there are still masterpieces coming down the road soon, I'm just not very hopeful.
 

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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 02:31 PM
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I'm pretty sure when they were thinking "dilution" they were thinking in terms of price. They don't want to offer anything cheeper than the current boxster. The Cajun will for sure be pricier than a boxster.
 
Old Jan 17, 2012 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by STOPPIE
I'm still shocked that in 2012 people STILL aren't aware that if weren't for the Cayenne project, Porsche wouldn't be around. The Panamera (close your eyes if you don't wanna read this) is the MOST successful Porsche in Porsche history.

Tis what it is....But this announcement is a move in the right direction.


Originally Posted by Carrera
I would much rather see them get profit off of a small sports car than a big 4 door. I think another SUV and smaller Panamera will do much more damage to the image than a small roadster would.
but this won`t happen...those times are over
read what Stoppie wrote,..not even the 911 could make Porsche profitable as a standalone project.
So a small roadster would rather be an investment or some kind of a "gift" to the car guys out there.
 
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Originally Posted by STOPPIE
see zee picture for yerrr viewing pleasure
I never said there wasn't a mechanical link in place -- I simply said that I didn't believe there was hydraulic fluid and that it was nowhere near the same system as what is in the GT3 RSR...Now that I've seen the picture you've provided I know for sure.

The GT3 RSR is a hydraulic system that simply uses an electric pump to drive the fluid.

The 991 uses an electric motor to drive the entire system. Sure it's still rack and pinion which is has to be to have as a safety backup but I guess if the electric system just goes haywire and forces you off the road that's another topic...

Regardless -- the GT3 RSR system is probably the most expensive system they could make while the 991 is probably the cheapest and most profitable system for Porsche...

The GT3 RSR system would feel exactly like the regular hydraulic system while the EPS will feel exactly how the software writers tell it to feel...
 

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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JCay
I'm pretty sure when they were thinking "dilution" they were thinking in terms of price. They don't want to offer anything cheeper than the current boxster. The Cajun will for sure be pricier than a boxster.
Porsche finished the dilution of their brand with the removal of the Metzger engine from the lineup. It was one thing to start building SUVs and Limousines with the excuse that they were still making fantastic sports cars thanks to the profits that the other lines brought in. Now with the removal of the Metzger -- Porsche doesn't even make a capable sports car for the track anymore. Calling the 991 S as fast as the 997 GT3 around the Nurburgring is laughable considering the 997 GT3 could lap the ring all day long at 10/10's and the 991 S would be lucky to make it a second or third lap doing the same...

I'm sure Porsche will continue to make wonderful GT street cars and SUVs using their long-established good name to further sell out and increase profits. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that now would be an incredible time to buy in to Porsche with their stock currently only at $55. In ten years I can see Porsche being BMW 2.0 and competing for nearly the exact markets.

If I seem a bit butthurt -- it's because I've missed being able to afford a proper Metzger equipped 911 GT3 in Mexico Blue with Euro delivery by about two years
 

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