Spyder Toxicity One
Jul 4, 2010 | 05:28 PM
#21
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OE, as delivered, both are set to understeer at 8/10ths+ driving and that is to be expected for product liability reasons. The RS can be dialed neutral with simply tightening the rear sway one hole. Spyder needed aftermarket F/R sways (and they still need to be tuned for the Spyder platform which is stiffer than Boxster/or Cayman. Currently working on this with TPC Casey and Mike).
The RS is the winner as far as precision of control inputs. The brake pedal on it is like stepping on a rock. Steering is razor sharp. Turn-in is precise. Throttle steering is superb and linear and a real joy to play with in corners.
And it costs $150k give or take...
Spyder is a bit softer, gentler and less precise. Control inputs and vehicle dynamics are not as hard and razor sharp. And it is more practical for day to day use (storage, cabin noise, looks).
Spyder can be had for $55k give or take.
Throttle response on both is perfect and linear and equally good. The Launch Control feature on the Spyder's PDK is totally fun and will rocket you off with both back wheels laying down matched rubber stripes to the road as your head is jammed into the seat back.
Spyder feels somewhat more forgiving up to and at the limits and has not given me anywhere close to a scary moment. This is likely due to mid-engine vs ass-engine. The RS is very forgiving as well, but less tolerant of fools and more rewarding I would think to a skilled driver.
With equal tires, Spyder, on a more technical course, will give little or no ground to an RS. A course with longer straights will necessarily cede the advantage to the RS due to HP difference.
Brakes on both cars are phenomenal. The Spyder will out-brake anything on track short of a GT3 or Cup car. I am always finding other cars to begin braking 3-5 car lengths before I need to (=faster lap times for me). The Spyder brake pedal has more power assist and pedal travel, but the brakes themselves are bulletproof, no fade and easy to modulate.
Now that I just typed that, let me say the Spyder brakes are insane. It is crazy how deep and hard I can brake compared to other cars.
For me, on the same track, I run essentially the same lap times (within 2 seconds) in both cars on DOT tires. These are tighter tracks (Spring Mountain, Thunderhill, Reno Fernley)
On highway to and from tracks at 80 mph the RS is revving its ass off and getting approx 20mpg. Spyder is loping along in 7th gear (PDK) and getting 30-31mpg. The RS is darty, the Spyder is not (both with track alignments).
Both cars in "Sport" mode, and Spyder with PSE, sound fantastic. Seriously, both sound equally delicious.
The PDK in Spyder is 100% perfection under any condition, and AWESOME on the track. AWESOME.
The 6 speed shift in the RS is notchy and heavy and folks have compared it to the feel of a bolt-action rifle to which I would agree. Clutch is not heavy.
Just bopping about town and driving in public responsibly and not like a douche you will be very hard pressed to find the limits of either car. And both ride about the same.
Blonde/Brunette/Redhead
Steak/Lobster
Skiing/Scuba
If a person is so fortunate to be able to put both in their garage, well then that is a happy thing and I can recommend that course of action with no reservations. And I fully enjoy driving both cars. If one has to choose, there is no bad choice. For daily use and grocery getting I think the Spyder is the better choice
though. Last edited by savyboy; Jul 4, 2010 at 05:33 PM.
Jul 4, 2010 | 10:57 PM
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The RS and Spyder both perform very well, out of the box on track and especially so on the road. But the feel and experience to me is very different. Spyder was handicapped as it does not have the adjustability the RS does- ride height/swaybars.
OE, as delivered, both are set to understeer at 8/10ths+ driving and that is to be expected for product liability reasons. The RS can be dialed neutral with simply tightening the rear sway one hole. Spyder needed aftermarket F/R sways (and they still need to be tuned for the Spyder platform which is stiffer than Boxster/or Cayman. Currently working on this with TPC Casey and Mike).
The RS is the winner as far as precision of control inputs. The brake pedal on it is like stepping on a rock. Steering is razor sharp. Turn-in is precise. Throttle steering is superb and linear and a real joy to play with in corners.
And it costs $150k give or take...
Spyder is a bit softer, gentler and less precise. Control inputs and vehicle dynamics are not as hard and razor sharp. And it is more practical for day to day use (storage, cabin noise, looks).
Spyder can be had for $55k give or take.
Throttle response on both is perfect and linear and equally good. The Launch Control feature on the Spyder's PDK is totally fun and will rocket you off with both back wheels laying down matched rubber stripes to the road as your head is jammed into the seat back.
Spyder feels somewhat more forgiving up to and at the limits and has not given me anywhere close to a scary moment. This is likely due to mid-engine vs ass-engine. The RS is very forgiving as well, but less tolerant of fools and more rewarding I would think to a skilled driver.
With equal tires, Spyder, on a more technical course, will give little or no ground to an RS. A course with longer straights will necessarily cede the advantage to the RS due to HP difference.
Brakes on both cars are phenomenal. The Spyder will out-brake anything on track short of a GT3 or Cup car. I am always finding other cars to begin braking 3-5 car lengths before I need to (=faster lap times for me). The Spyder brake pedal has more power assist and pedal travel, but the brakes themselves are bulletproof, no fade and easy to modulate.
Now that I just typed that, let me say the Spyder brakes are insane. It is crazy how deep and hard I can brake compared to other cars.
For me, on the same track, I run essentially the same lap times (within 2 seconds) in both cars on DOT tires. These are tighter tracks (Spring Mountain, Thunderhill, Reno Fernley)
On highway to and from tracks at 80 mph the RS is revving its ass off and getting approx 20mpg. Spyder is loping along in 7th gear (PDK) and getting 30-31mpg. The RS is darty, the Spyder is not (both with track alignments).
Both cars in "Sport" mode, and Spyder with PSE, sound fantastic. Seriously, both sound equally delicious.
The PDK in Spyder is 100% perfection under any condition, and AWESOME on the track. AWESOME.
The 6 speed shift in the RS is notchy and heavy and folks have compared it to the feel of a bolt-action rifle to which I would agree. Clutch is not heavy.
Just bopping about town and driving in public responsibly and not like a douche you will be very hard pressed to find the limits of either car. And both ride about the same.
Blonde/Brunette/Redhead
Steak/Lobster
Skiing/Scuba
If a person is so fortunate to be able to put both in their garage, well then that is a happy thing and I can recommend that course of action with no reservations. And I fully enjoy driving both cars. If one has to choose, there is no bad choice. For daily use and grocery getting I think the Spyder is the better choice though.
OE, as delivered, both are set to understeer at 8/10ths+ driving and that is to be expected for product liability reasons. The RS can be dialed neutral with simply tightening the rear sway one hole. Spyder needed aftermarket F/R sways (and they still need to be tuned for the Spyder platform which is stiffer than Boxster/or Cayman. Currently working on this with TPC Casey and Mike).
The RS is the winner as far as precision of control inputs. The brake pedal on it is like stepping on a rock. Steering is razor sharp. Turn-in is precise. Throttle steering is superb and linear and a real joy to play with in corners.
And it costs $150k give or take...
Spyder is a bit softer, gentler and less precise. Control inputs and vehicle dynamics are not as hard and razor sharp. And it is more practical for day to day use (storage, cabin noise, looks).
Spyder can be had for $55k give or take.
Throttle response on both is perfect and linear and equally good. The Launch Control feature on the Spyder's PDK is totally fun and will rocket you off with both back wheels laying down matched rubber stripes to the road as your head is jammed into the seat back.
Spyder feels somewhat more forgiving up to and at the limits and has not given me anywhere close to a scary moment. This is likely due to mid-engine vs ass-engine. The RS is very forgiving as well, but less tolerant of fools and more rewarding I would think to a skilled driver.
With equal tires, Spyder, on a more technical course, will give little or no ground to an RS. A course with longer straights will necessarily cede the advantage to the RS due to HP difference.
Brakes on both cars are phenomenal. The Spyder will out-brake anything on track short of a GT3 or Cup car. I am always finding other cars to begin braking 3-5 car lengths before I need to (=faster lap times for me). The Spyder brake pedal has more power assist and pedal travel, but the brakes themselves are bulletproof, no fade and easy to modulate.
Now that I just typed that, let me say the Spyder brakes are insane. It is crazy how deep and hard I can brake compared to other cars.
For me, on the same track, I run essentially the same lap times (within 2 seconds) in both cars on DOT tires. These are tighter tracks (Spring Mountain, Thunderhill, Reno Fernley)
On highway to and from tracks at 80 mph the RS is revving its ass off and getting approx 20mpg. Spyder is loping along in 7th gear (PDK) and getting 30-31mpg. The RS is darty, the Spyder is not (both with track alignments).
Both cars in "Sport" mode, and Spyder with PSE, sound fantastic. Seriously, both sound equally delicious.
The PDK in Spyder is 100% perfection under any condition, and AWESOME on the track. AWESOME.
The 6 speed shift in the RS is notchy and heavy and folks have compared it to the feel of a bolt-action rifle to which I would agree. Clutch is not heavy.
Just bopping about town and driving in public responsibly and not like a douche you will be very hard pressed to find the limits of either car. And both ride about the same.
Blonde/Brunette/Redhead
Steak/Lobster
Skiing/Scuba
If a person is so fortunate to be able to put both in their garage, well then that is a happy thing and I can recommend that course of action with no reservations. And I fully enjoy driving both cars. If one has to choose, there is no bad choice. For daily use and grocery getting I think the Spyder is the better choice
though.Great writeup!!
Jul 4, 2010 | 11:34 PM
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Autophilia I think it is called?
Ferociously great garage Sir. Turbo S, so yummy! Did you paddock next to me at Laguna about a month ago? The man was tracking his (turbo'ed) Spyker, and I had Spyder there.
Ferociously great garage Sir. Turbo S, so yummy! Did you paddock next to me at Laguna about a month ago? The man was tracking his (turbo'ed) Spyker, and I had Spyder there.
Jul 5, 2010 | 09:32 AM
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