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Old 02-11-2010, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by STOPPIE
But that brings me to a question; if the days of dog fights are nearly (if not completely) over, why do we need this plane?
Some have been saying "dogfights are done" ever since we developed a mostly accurate AA missile. They didn't go away, and probably never will, precisely because a) There will always be a situation in which a missile won't work, and b) Sometimes you want to shoot something with an object that costs less than the target.

The real benefit to the raptor is not that it's fast or stealthy, but that it's very maneuverable at slower speeds, and can get to "angle of boom" sooner than just about anything, regardless of how fast, or slow, it's flying.
 
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Originally Posted by STOPPIE
I'd love to see this plane in actual dog fight scenarios. But that brings me to a question; if the days of dog fights are nearly (if not completely) over, why do we need this plane?


- Just a question.
Originally Posted by Gobbles
That's a chicken or egg type of question. The days of dogfights are over BECAUSE of 5th generation planes. If we didn't have them, well...we'd still be going in close(er).


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It was said before that they were over. The F-4's originally had no guns because they thought this, and then found themselves in Dog Fighting scenarios.

I would say that the Dog Fighting days are far from over, however for now they might be but not for long. Right now we have a stealth fighter that can target planes before ever seeing them. Let's not forget though, that we aren't the only one developing that technology. So what happens when two opposing stealth fighter squadrons happen upon each other in war time? I would say that the only way that two stealth planes could fight would be to dog fight. If our missiles can't track them, and theirs can't track us, then I would say that Dog Fighting will most likely occur closer in than ever before.

So in this case dog fighting will be the egg and the plane will be the chicken. un-advanced airplane=dogfighting, Highly advanced stealth tech=no dogfighting, Multiple countries with highly advanced stealth fighters=dog fighting. That's just my thought though.
 
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I love this plane.....it looks like it comes to a complete stop during some of those turns
 
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I knew this was an amazing jet, but damn some of those moves are unreal
 
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Originally Posted by Hernando
Multiple countries with highly advanced stealth fighters=dog fighting. That's just my thought though.
That's right. It's only a matter of time before other countries catch up.

I believe future dogfighting will probably take place between UAVs.
 
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Too bad the USAF only has about 180 of these puppies.
 
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That's right. It's only a matter of time before other countries catch up.

I believe future dogfighting will probably take place between UAVs.
More specifically, UCAVs. Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicles.



 
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More specifically, UCAVs. Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicles.



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