The Next Big Thing - Murcielago successor details!
#101
06-17-2010 | 10:31 AM
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Transmission has many influences on driving experiences.
I prefer F1 of any maker than pdk of porsche.
Pdk lacks direct feeling and somewhat takes away driver's free will by doing its job too perfect.
You just have to put it into auto to get the best of it.
Never tried California's or 458's dct but there is something special which F1 clutch action and its jerkyness makes.
For me, I would opt for F1 than pdk if pdk is what lambo uses.
I prefer F1 of any maker than pdk of porsche.
Pdk lacks direct feeling and somewhat takes away driver's free will by doing its job too perfect.
You just have to put it into auto to get the best of it.
Never tried California's or 458's dct but there is something special which F1 clutch action and its jerkyness makes.
For me, I would opt for F1 than pdk if pdk is what lambo uses.
#102
06-17-2010 | 03:47 PM
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Don't get me wrong Shadowman, I am a huge Lambo fan and there is nothing I wish more than the Murci successor to be a big seller and succsess. Especially regarding the importance of this specific model which might decide the future for the entire company.
However you have to agree with me that by not using a DCT Lambo is going in the exact opposite direction of basically all other supercar producers. McLaren, AMG, Porsche, Ferrari and the sportier models from BMW and Audi are all using a DCT nowadays.
If you look at it objectively there really no downsides except maybe a little heavier weight. However it's not much heavier than a normal clutch. The dryweight of the Mclaren mp4-12c is rumoured to be below 3000 punds.
Quicker shifts mean better performance, better comfort and less fuel consumption.
However you have to agree with me that by not using a DCT Lambo is going in the exact opposite direction of basically all other supercar producers. McLaren, AMG, Porsche, Ferrari and the sportier models from BMW and Audi are all using a DCT nowadays.
If you look at it objectively there really no downsides except maybe a little heavier weight. However it's not much heavier than a normal clutch. The dryweight of the Mclaren mp4-12c is rumoured to be below 3000 punds.
Quicker shifts mean better performance, better comfort and less fuel consumption.
I was not meaning to be blunt but rather change the focus from why is Lamborghini not following another when compared to what is up Lamborghini's proverbial sleeve. The DCT for some may have become the path of least resistance and instead Lamborghini wants something else.
Cost, weight, the ability to integrate into a given design certainly are all factors however in the end there are times it is something yet to be known in this case to us that is a pivotal component of the final decision.
I have no idea as such can only speculate however what my gut tells me is that which is to be presented will make many folks smile.
Thank you again
Takes care
Shadowman
#103
06-19-2010 | 04:26 PM
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We will see and hear much more in a month time or about so, now we just have to wait a bit. DCT or no DCT, it will very interesting supercar, there is no doubt about that.
Speaking about gearbox, I would definitely prefer the DCT on every supercar which is not just track-oriented ultra-light weapon, especially if they want to make really next generation supercar as was claimed.
As was mentioned by Autocar: ...instead, the new Murcielago may come with the option of a sequential seven-speed manual, with a more conventional seven-speed paddle shift as standard...
If it will not really be so, it is no excuse for Lambo not going DCT way.
Speaking about gearbox, I would definitely prefer the DCT on every supercar which is not just track-oriented ultra-light weapon, especially if they want to make really next generation supercar as was claimed.
As was mentioned by Autocar: ...instead, the new Murcielago may come with the option of a sequential seven-speed manual, with a more conventional seven-speed paddle shift as standard...
If it will not really be so, it is no excuse for Lambo not going DCT way.
#105
06-20-2010 | 01:48 AM
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We will see and hear much more in a month time or about so, now we just have to wait a bit. DCT or no DCT, it will very interesting supercar, there is no doubt about that.
Speaking about gearbox, I would definitely prefer the DCT on every supercar which is not just track-oriented ultra-light weapon, especially if they want to make really next generation supercar as was claimed.
As was mentioned by Autocar: ...instead, the new Murcielago may come with the option of a sequential seven-speed manual, with a more conventional seven-speed paddle shift as standard...
If it will not really be so, it is no excuse for Lambo not going DCT way.
Speaking about gearbox, I would definitely prefer the DCT on every supercar which is not just track-oriented ultra-light weapon, especially if they want to make really next generation supercar as was claimed.
As was mentioned by Autocar: ...instead, the new Murcielago may come with the option of a sequential seven-speed manual, with a more conventional seven-speed paddle shift as standard...
If it will not really be so, it is no excuse for Lambo not going DCT way.
Now I will share from personal expertise; I have enjoyed manual boxes all my life and when F1 and then the E-gear was presented to the public I saw it as novel however not my cup-o-Joe. I had a gal with the F1; many years ago and it IMO was not ready for prime time and then I experienced the early E-gear to which I share the same sediments however by the time I purchased an 08 LP640 it was feeling darn nice and the operation of the system within my SV is absolutely “badass”.
Now this does not mean that at times I do not miss hearing the stick clang the gate because there are those times however the sensation of up shifting the E-gear and even more so the downshifts are mechanically and audibly glorious.
IMO the manual box as associated with the current engine management system does not allow for crisp throttle blips but rather they are lazy whereas the computer does one fine job.
So what means will the next generation gal use to migrate the power out of her heart and to her wheels; I do not know however I have every reason to believe that it will be equal to or greater than that within the SV which is as shared “badass”.
Takes care
Shadowman
#107
06-20-2010 | 08:20 AM
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I don't know why this drawing keeps getting circulated. It's plain silly. Look at the passenger cabin. How's anyone expected to actually fit in that thing AND still look forward? You actually think front wheels that large, rear wheels that small would lead to decent handling? It's drawn by someone who doesn't seem to know anything about cars who expanded what he though would look cool. It continues to remind me of an exaggerated feature kids drawing.
