The Next Big Thing - Murcielago successor details!
#91
There was a nice little gathering here in Seattle at the University of Washington design Lab last night. It is where Lamborghini has all its new designs idea's for Carbon Fiber tested and designed.
Present were Manfred and head Tech designer from Lamborghini along with a few local Lambo owners. A showing of the new LP570-4SL along with insight to new CF items coming out as well..pretty neat stuff in the future.
The lips were pretty tight on the new Flagship car..BUT..after so many questions put to them..I can confirm two things..the rest I am not at liberty to share.
1) There will be no Double Clutch set up. In their opinion it add's to much weight to the car as well as loosing the feel of the up and down shift perfromance.
2) The car will retain the standard up/down siccor doors...for now..costs of design of a lighter door and opening action is to cost prohibative.
The other intresting thing is that China is currently their #1 market, with the average age of a buer bewtween 25-35...where other markets are average age of 35-45.
Present were Manfred and head Tech designer from Lamborghini along with a few local Lambo owners. A showing of the new LP570-4SL along with insight to new CF items coming out as well..pretty neat stuff in the future.
The lips were pretty tight on the new Flagship car..BUT..after so many questions put to them..I can confirm two things..the rest I am not at liberty to share.
1) There will be no Double Clutch set up. In their opinion it add's to much weight to the car as well as loosing the feel of the up and down shift perfromance.
2) The car will retain the standard up/down siccor doors...for now..costs of design of a lighter door and opening action is to cost prohibative.
The other intresting thing is that China is currently their #1 market, with the average age of a buer bewtween 25-35...where other markets are average age of 35-45.
#92
I have mixed feeling about new V12 has no DCT, those talks about too much weight and so on is more like a excuse from them not the reality. Just look at McLaren MP4-12C Graziano DCT - compact, light and clever, but seems that both Murcielago successor and Pagani C9 will not feature DCT. Interesting what is the structure of doors to make them as light as possibly while retaining traditional scissor system - aluminium frame with CF, something like that could give a needed result. Want to ask also - any hints about engine and performance numbers?
#95
My gut feeling in the talks is a lower base car, no options...and let the customer build as they wish to the price they wish.
#96
I have mixed feeling about new V12 has no DCT, those talks about too much weight and so on is more like a excuse from them not the reality. Just look at McLaren MP4-12C Graziano DCT - compact, light and clever, but seems that both Murcielago successor and Pagani C9 will not feature DCT.
I don't agree with all about the explanation why a DCT should not be prefered.
#98
To be quite frank...final pricing has not been set as of yet..constant change with the Euro and our Dollar etc etc..also if it should be base price low option low price car..or a higher optioned higher price car..
My gut feeling in the talks is a lower base car, no options...and let the customer build as they wish to the price they wish.
My gut feeling in the talks is a lower base car, no options...and let the customer build as they wish to the price they wish.
I suspect that most in the USA are sold and driven/shipped home rather than ordered as such the dealers will be creating the packages as such if the spread between the base and loaded model is great then the selection and understanding that which one gal has versus another will become key because one could be drawn to the proverbial low price light; buyer beware.
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Shadowman
#99
Or just maybe they have done a great deal of it; DCT is not the end all but rather another approach.
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Shadowman
#100
However you have to agree with me that by not using a DCT Lambo is going in the exact opposite direction of basically all other supercar producers. McLaren, AMG, Porsche, Ferrari and the sportier models from BMW and Audi are all using a DCT nowadays.
If you look at it objectively there really no downsides except maybe a little heavier weight. However it's not much heavier than a normal clutch. The dryweight of the Mclaren mp4-12c is rumoured to be below 3000 punds.
Quicker shifts mean better performance, better comfort and less fuel consumption.