New here...996 4s vs 996 TT
#22
12-29-2010, 12:20 AM
I think it was a total sham that Porsche ripped people off with that crappy wet sumper M96, M97, and now the A91. If they had stuck with M64, the volume of it would have made it very profitable, and it wouldn't involve shortchanging non Turbo (and not even that at 997.2) owners.
#23
12-29-2010, 12:21 AM
Oh, and don't carry raw fish or meat in the luggage compartment, unless you want them seared.
#25
12-31-2010, 02:41 PM
Hello,
I come back to you after having tried both cars...and a 9972s and 4s.
My conclusion is that the power of the turbo is not yet made for me! I won't forget this test, and will definitely go to it in few years time (hopefully will be able to target a 997 tt).
So to come back to my main problem...it is somehow solved ;-)!!!
But not completely! I really love the 997. Of course the engine is not a M64, but still I love the way it goes in regimes and the way the car handle.
The question is now gettin a 997 S (or 4s) or a 996 4s.
Do you think I should wait few months (after summer) the presentation of the New 911 in order the prices of 997 to get a bit down? Are they going to fall a bit more?
And at what price can i find a nice 997 (I am not very attached to the number of miles, I believe that if the car has always been followed properly it is Ok)?
For the turbo, i will have a small taste next week... I receive my Cayenne Turbo and will post you pictures.
HAPPY NEW YEAR AND Porschely yours
I come back to you after having tried both cars...and a 9972s and 4s.
My conclusion is that the power of the turbo is not yet made for me! I won't forget this test, and will definitely go to it in few years time (hopefully will be able to target a 997 tt).
So to come back to my main problem...it is somehow solved ;-)!!!
But not completely! I really love the 997. Of course the engine is not a M64, but still I love the way it goes in regimes and the way the car handle.
The question is now gettin a 997 S (or 4s) or a 996 4s.
Do you think I should wait few months (after summer) the presentation of the New 911 in order the prices of 997 to get a bit down? Are they going to fall a bit more?
And at what price can i find a nice 997 (I am not very attached to the number of miles, I believe that if the car has always been followed properly it is Ok)?
For the turbo, i will have a small taste next week... I receive my Cayenne Turbo and will post you pictures.
HAPPY NEW YEAR AND Porschely yours
#26
12-31-2010, 08:17 PM
A few points to make here:
1) Don't be so sure about the horsepower. One of the immutable laws of motoring is that no matter how much power you have, you get used to it within a few weeks, and generally want more. You could argue that the implication of this is to be happy with the lower-powered car, but you could also argue that you should step up to a Turbo, as the upgrade path is easier. Either way, in the long-run, a stock Turbo won't feel like too much car.
2) The flip side of this is that a great chassis never gets old, and the driving rewards of a 997 C2S will undoubtedly impress you over the older platform and AWD of the 996 C4S.
3) Another somewhat counterintuitive point is that big horsepower is generally more useful and rewarding on the street, rather than on the track (up to a point where traction becomes a continual problem). Go to a track day and see all the guys in Miatas and Boxsters tearing it up. Go to the same track with an extra hundred horsepower, and see how you're only going a bit faster at the end of the straight, and your lap times are only a few seconds lower. But now you're blowing up engines, burning through tires, break pads and rotors, and realizing that the horsepower is masking your driving mistakes. On the street, however, you're having a lot more fun. Never mind street-racing, and nonsense like that, everyday driving is a lot more enjoyable with horsepower. You can blast up through the first three gears all day long. The wave of Turbo torque really comes into its own, and you don't care as much to have the precise throttle response of a normally-aspirated engine like you do on the track.
Anyway, conclusion, same as before, go buy the Turbo!
1) Don't be so sure about the horsepower. One of the immutable laws of motoring is that no matter how much power you have, you get used to it within a few weeks, and generally want more. You could argue that the implication of this is to be happy with the lower-powered car, but you could also argue that you should step up to a Turbo, as the upgrade path is easier. Either way, in the long-run, a stock Turbo won't feel like too much car.
2) The flip side of this is that a great chassis never gets old, and the driving rewards of a 997 C2S will undoubtedly impress you over the older platform and AWD of the 996 C4S.
3) Another somewhat counterintuitive point is that big horsepower is generally more useful and rewarding on the street, rather than on the track (up to a point where traction becomes a continual problem). Go to a track day and see all the guys in Miatas and Boxsters tearing it up. Go to the same track with an extra hundred horsepower, and see how you're only going a bit faster at the end of the straight, and your lap times are only a few seconds lower. But now you're blowing up engines, burning through tires, break pads and rotors, and realizing that the horsepower is masking your driving mistakes. On the street, however, you're having a lot more fun. Never mind street-racing, and nonsense like that, everyday driving is a lot more enjoyable with horsepower. You can blast up through the first three gears all day long. The wave of Turbo torque really comes into its own, and you don't care as much to have the precise throttle response of a normally-aspirated engine like you do on the track.
Anyway, conclusion, same as before, go buy the Turbo!
#27
01-01-2011, 07:46 AM
A few points to make here:
1) Don't be so sure about the horsepower. One of the immutable laws of motoring is that no matter how much power you have, you get used to it within a few weeks, and generally want more. You could argue that the implication of this is to be happy with the lower-powered car, but you could also argue that you should step up to a Turbo, as the upgrade path is easier. Either way, in the long-run, a stock Turbo won't feel like too much car.
2) The flip side of this is that a great chassis never gets old, and the driving rewards of a 997 C2S will undoubtedly impress you over the older platform and AWD of the 996 C4S.
3) Another somewhat counterintuitive point is that big horsepower is generally more useful and rewarding on the street, rather than on the track (up to a point where traction becomes a continual problem). Go to a track day and see all the guys in Miatas and Boxsters tearing it up. Go to the same track with an extra hundred horsepower, and see how you're only going a bit faster at the end of the straight, and your lap times are only a few seconds lower. But now you're blowing up engines, burning through tires, break pads and rotors, and realizing that the horsepower is masking your driving mistakes. On the street, however, you're having a lot more fun. Never mind street-racing, and nonsense like that, everyday driving is a lot more enjoyable with horsepower. You can blast up through the first three gears all day long. The wave of Turbo torque really comes into its own, and you don't care as much to have the precise throttle response of a normally-aspirated engine like you do on the track.
Anyway, conclusion, same as before, go buy the Turbo!
1) Don't be so sure about the horsepower. One of the immutable laws of motoring is that no matter how much power you have, you get used to it within a few weeks, and generally want more. You could argue that the implication of this is to be happy with the lower-powered car, but you could also argue that you should step up to a Turbo, as the upgrade path is easier. Either way, in the long-run, a stock Turbo won't feel like too much car.
2) The flip side of this is that a great chassis never gets old, and the driving rewards of a 997 C2S will undoubtedly impress you over the older platform and AWD of the 996 C4S.
3) Another somewhat counterintuitive point is that big horsepower is generally more useful and rewarding on the street, rather than on the track (up to a point where traction becomes a continual problem). Go to a track day and see all the guys in Miatas and Boxsters tearing it up. Go to the same track with an extra hundred horsepower, and see how you're only going a bit faster at the end of the straight, and your lap times are only a few seconds lower. But now you're blowing up engines, burning through tires, break pads and rotors, and realizing that the horsepower is masking your driving mistakes. On the street, however, you're having a lot more fun. Never mind street-racing, and nonsense like that, everyday driving is a lot more enjoyable with horsepower. You can blast up through the first three gears all day long. The wave of Turbo torque really comes into its own, and you don't care as much to have the precise throttle response of a normally-aspirated engine like you do on the track.
Anyway, conclusion, same as before, go buy the Turbo!
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